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My V8 - an LS1 5.7 litre 6 speed manual is used almost exclusively for
regular interstate trips with four on-boad and
a trunk-load of heavy gear.


Without trying, according to the trip computer it regularly returns 8.9

litres per 100 Kms on ULP on these trips, a figure many 4 cylinder cars

with 2-up can't match. The best I have seen is 8.1litres/100 kms but
that was all downhill.


I would probably get even better figues if I didn't have to come off
cruise control and then reset because some dawdling dimwit in a
rice-burner is hogging the right (passing) - lane and won't move over
until he sees the whites of your eyes.


Makin, if LPG ever becomes an acceptable alternative in huge numbers,
it too will become expensive.


Or Ethanol? Look at BRAZIL. Cars are running there on Ethanol only. VW

has a model out


The Government in not about to see it's share of petrol products
revenue diminish, so whatever is used in viable numbers as an
alternative to petroleum will suffer the same profiteering fat

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My V8 - an LS1 5.7 litre 6 speed manual is used almost exclusively for
regular interstate trips with four on-boad and
a trunk-load of heavy gear.


Without trying, according to the trip computer it regularly returns 8.9

litres per 100 Kms on ULP on these trips, a figure many 4 cylinder cars

with 2-up can't match. The best I have seen is 8.1litres/100 kms but
that was all downhill.


I would probably get even better figues if I didn't have to come off
cruise control and then reset because some dawdling dimwit in a
rice-burner is hogging the right (passing) - lane and won't move over
until he sees the whites of your eyes.


Makin, if LPG ever becomes an acceptable alternative in huge numbers,
it too will become expensive.


Or Ethanol? Look at BRAZIL. Cars are running there on Ethanol only. VW

has a model out


The Government in not about to see it's share of petrol products
revenue diminish, so whatever is used in viable numbers as an
alternative to petroleum will suffer the same profiteering fat



As titillating as it might be to hammer and rail about government
complicity in corporate profiteering, Ethanol comes with it's own set of
problems. Being a lower yield fuel per gram, a greater volume of it
needs to be produced to replace each gallon of petroleum based fuel use
in the population. Since Ethanol is produced by processes originating
with organic materials, usually corn or other high sugar/starch
producing crops, the demand for farm products will skyrocket. As they
have with soy diesel. And that's a good thing.

Until another scorching drought, like the two or three we've had over
the last 15 years, at least one of which wiped out the corn crop,
impacting not only ethanol prices (which in limited consumption STILL
spiked dramatically in price) as well as food prices. With growers
operating at a substantial percentage of capacity, if Ethanol were to
replace petroleum just in the US, production irregularities and
shortfalls would be as common as they are in petroleum, today.

The smart thing, but who in goverment, or activism, ever does the
smart thing. is to produce flexible fuel engines that can run on a
variety of fuels. Well, those Heathen Devil Evil Corporations are
already doing it.

Without government input.

GM, Ford and Chrysler having fielded a substantial percentage of
flex-fuel engines of their corporate fleets already. And having been
doing so for the last 5 years in some cases.

Chrysler has in each line of engines, at least one model, usually the
midrange power model, that is exclusively flex-fuel.

Damn, them evil *******s.

Flex-fuels will permit petro/ethanol blends to be run in virtually
any proportion, in response to the vagaries of production, demand, or
natural catastrophe no matter where the shortfall happens. Further, flex
fuels takes the pressures of both ethanol AND petroleum production, they
burn cleaner, and have been demonstrated to reduce maintenance and
repair costs on vehicles when they're tried. Solving a host of problems,
on all fronts, simultaneously.

Damn, them evil corporate monsters.

So, why do we not see flex fuel-pumps at every Exxon or Amoco station?

Good question. Because ExxonMobil and Amoco are champing at the bit
to put in flex-fuel pumps.

Seems that government regulations are getting in the way. Even here
in Illinois. And it's not about profits, or even taxes. Alcohol is taxed
just like petrol. And with more fuel avaialable to be sold, there would
be more per gallon tax raised for federal, state and local governments.
But that doesn't seem to matter.

Thank God we've got activism driven governmental agencies to protect
us from those evil corporate *******s.

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cuhulin

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About two years ago,I read somewhere that VW in Europe sells a VW model
that gets over 70 miles per gallon.But folks in America just don't seem
to be interested in buying those models of VW cars.They probally would
be interested nowdays considering the high prices of gasoline and diesel
fuel.Assuming if VW would start importing those models of VW cars.
cuhulin

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www.wardsauto.com is an auto news website I check out at least once
everyday.Of course there are many other auto related news sites on the
internet too.
cuhulin

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Think the 70 + MPG are Diesels.. Very small cars with Crummy
acceleration & poor top speed..

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I have owned three VW's before.The first one I bought was at Steakley
Chevrolet used car department in 1965 in Killeen,Texas when I was in the
Army.Fort Hood is right next door to Killeen.It was a 1961 VW van and
had been a Chicken On Call van that someone previously owned and used it
to drive around at Fort Hood,selling sandwiches and soft drinks and
candy.One time when I came home on a three day holiday pass from Fort
Hood,I saw an ad in the local Clarion Ledger newspaper about a 1963 VW
car for sale for $1,100 and I bought that car and I drove it back to
Fort Hood,I later on sold my 1961 VW van and later on traded my 1963 VW
car in on a very nice 1967 Ford Car at Blackwell Chevrolet here in
Jackson.In 1978,I saw a 1970 VW van for sale,it was red with a white
roof and I traded my 1967 Ford car in on the 1970 VW van,I should have
hung on to my 1967 Ford car.Those old VW's didn't have enough power to
get out of their own way and you freeze to death in the winter time.I
swore off of VW vehicles forever.
cuhulin

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Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:
wrote:
Think the 70 + MPG are Diesels.. Very small cars with Crummy
acceleration & poor top speed..


And that is part of our problem, everyone wants macho acceleration and
high speed.

another part of the problem is that we NEED that acceleration (and
mondo braking ability) just to drive get ourselves out the mess caused
by a refusal of many drivers to drive safely

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CHRIS
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The car has been playing up a bit... slow when starting... so was going
to take it to the garage today for a check up.

Took the kids to school as usual, and went shopping. Came out loaded to
the gills with junk... like those totally essential flashing Xmas
lights for the garden and the flashing Xmas Hats for us to wear once
but without which the holiday simply wouldn't be a holiday... would
it?? But is it *really* almost that time again - gawd?? It only seems
like a year ago it was this close last time!!

While I was there I took the opportunity of buying a load of frozen
gear... one of the kids is 6 next week and she wants a 'pool party' -
in September mark you brr so we have to have it here... oh joy, oh
rapture, oh god... just the *thought* of 25 screaming 6 year old girls
needing to be entertained fills me with horror - I think maybe I'll
call an 'entertainer'... anyway, I thought I'd get in early to save
time next week... as you do.

So, into the car goes the shopping... into the car goes I... and that's
where I stay... why? No power... well not enough to start her up
anyway.

Luckily this car is leased so I call the support line... who tell me
they use NRMA... who tell me there'll be a 60 - 90 minute wait. (see
"oh joy" etc above and repeat...) This was 10:17.

I sit there... not that I could do much else... I read "That's Life",
listen to classical FM cos the radio still just manages to work... and
listen to the sound of frozen food slowly defrosting itself... and
wait.

Suddenly the screen in the car lights up and tells me to switch off
totally or it will explode in 7 seconds... well ok... it tells me the
power will fail totally in 7 seconds... but it's much the same thing...
anyway I was told to switch off **or else**... I didn't learn what the
'or else' would be because at that moment up came the NRMA guy...
arrived at 11:30... not too bad I suppose.

Utilising the vast store of motoring knowledge I've accumulated over
the years, I let him know that I thought the problem may be a dry
battery... of course I've never looked under the bonnet in 3 years so I
didn't even know for sure it even *had* a battery.. but still. You have
to appear in control don't you?

So he humours me... and looks... and of course it wasn't... typical...
but it *was* shot... he told me... though how could I check? Either
way, after 3 years hard work, the battery was replaced. Symptomatic of
modern life I suppose... give all you have and be cast off once you
can't perform as well as you did. Eh? Cynical moi? Never... !!

Anyway... it turns out that *I* have to *pay* for it because even tho
the NRMA guy was called out by the support line... apparently there is
no way I can charge the battery through the NRMA and back to them...
grrr!!!

And that of course is pretty much the end of the story. Ten minutes
later and $140 lighter, I'm back on the road. I get home safe and
sound... end of story. Except of course I now have to try to get the
$140 back off the lease company... and won't *that* be fun!!

Chris

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I hope y'all checked the oil and water and brake fluid and power
steering fluid and fan belts and power steering belts and airconditioner
belts under that hood/bonnet of the car.After about three years,it's
about time.High past time in fact.
cuhulin

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I have a set of plans here inside a round cardboard mailing tube.I
ordered the plans from an ad in a Mother Earth magazine back in the
1970's.The plans show how to hook up a three cylinder diesel engine like
the kind in small lawn mower yard tractors to an adapter to a
transmission of an old british Triump car.The plans say it gets up to
125 miles per gallon.
cuhulin

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The plans say it gets up to
125 miles per gallon.

I keep kicking around the idea of making a one seater car
out of a small motorcycle drivetrain. Can't decide how to go about
it though. I've considered a trike-car, but I think a trike wheel in
the
front would be too unstable. Not sure about a rear steer trike.
Also have kicked around the idea of just adding frame to one
side and making a four wheeler motorcycle, but with only one
side actually driving power. I'd like to make a light glass
body that looked like the front of a jet plane, to cut wind
resistance. If you used a 125-250 cc range engine, I bet
you could get pretty a pretty decent mpg. Being I once had a
yamaha 250 that probably did 80-90 mph, I think going street speeds
would be a snap. Dunno how if would fare on the freeway...
Could probably do 55 I bet if stable enough.
MK

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Another set of plans I have here shows how to hook up an electric motor
(golf cart motor or government surplus motor) to an adapter to the
transmission of a VW beetle car.I have an old Popular Science magazine
here that dates back to the 1960's or 1970's that has an article about a
guy who built his own vehicle that runs on compressed air.He used an old
small pickup truck and some old high pressure scuba tanks he mounted in
the bed of the pickup truck for his compressed air tanks.Some industrial
compressed air motors have horsepower ratings of up to about 25
horsepower.Some scrap metal yards have things like that lying around for
sale.Old oxycetylene tanks make good high pressure compressed air tanks
too.I stay off the interstates as much as possible because I drive too
slow,I prefer the back roads anyway.I like the idea of those cars that
run on compressed air.Just plug them in for a while and let them charge
back up.Some of those electric cars catch fire sometimes.Chrysler had
some problems with some of their hybrid electric cars.One of them burned
somebody's house down in Florida a few years ago.
cuhulin

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www.devilfinder.com Build your own homemade compressed air car

Radio related,,, there is an eham link there about,Build Your Own Air
Vairable Capacitors.It says all you need is a flat washer and a spring.I
haven't read the whole article yet.
cuhulin

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You can use styrofoam (use styrofoam glue to glue bigger chunks of
styrofoam together) and easily carve (electric carving knife,borrow your
wife's electric carving knife from the kitchen) and sand whatever kind
of shape you want and fiberglass over that.Gasoline will melt the
styrofoam but will not affect the fiberglass.There are fiberglass cloth
materials available at boat/marine supply stores,the fiberglass
stretches over/around odd shapes like a sweater.
cuhulin

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www.devilfinder.com Car Kits

There are a lot of different kinds of car kits available on the
market,use whatever kind of engine or electric motor you want to use.The
junk yards are full of them.
cuhulin

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Sept 30, 2005, 3:26am, cuhulin wrote:I have a set of plans here inside
a round cardboard mailing tube.I
ordered the plans from an ad in a Mother Earth magazine back in the
1970's.The plans show how to hook up a three cylinder diesel engine
like
the kind in small lawn mower yard tractors to an adapter to a
transmission of an old british Triump car.The plans say it gets up to
125 miles per gallon.

cuhulin




I went into the Arco gas station this morning and asked for five
dollars worth of gas.

The clerk farted and gave me a receipt.

tysia

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Yeah,I have heard that gas station joke before,,, and the customer got a
receipt for the gas.
Start growing Soybeans,Diesel engines run great on Soybean oil.The old
Robert Mitchum movie,Cape Fear,is just now starting on tv.Next up,The
Big Steal,His Kind of Woman,and then I have to get my beauty sleep when
His Kind of Woman movie is over.
cuhulin

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Most ethanol in Australia is made from starch, which in turn comes from
wheat. In other words, this is a plan to run our cars on food when half
the world is starving.


Ethanol not the answer: Kohler


ALAN KOHLER: I must be missing something with ethanol. This week, the
Prime Minister, Mr Howard, put Australia's oil companies in a room and
wouldn't let them out until they agreed that his target of 350
megalitres of ethanol production by 2010 was achievable. They didn't
commit to it but they agreed it could be done.


Most ethanol in Australia is made from starch, which in turn comes from
wheat. In other words, this is a plan to run our cars on food when half
the world is starving. Ethanol costs more to make than petrol, so it
needs subsidies from the Government estimated at $118 million a year.


The wheat is brought to Nowra from western NSW by trucks that burn
diesel. It's then put through an eight-stage process that uses steam at
each stage. The steam is generated by burning coal.


The report of the government task force on biofuels is equivocal, to
say the least, about the environmental and cost benefits of ethanol. It
says the principal benefit of the policy is regional development - not
just a benefit but the main one. That's because a new plant has to be
built, providing 648 jobs. It will use grain and molasses as feed stock
- more food in the fuel tank.


Not mentioned in the report is the name Dick Honan, the main
beneficiary of this policy. His company, Manildra, produces all the
ethanol in Nowra and will make millions from increasing output to 350
megalitres a year. He also seems to be a prime ministerial friend and a
big donor to the Liberal Party. Maybe that's what I'm missing.
Kohler

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U.S.A.gives the World billions of tons of food every year.Some of those
poor people never see that food.Crooked govts sell that food or use it
for barter/trade.Hands Across The Sea.
cuhulin
(fema,, what happened to that Ice?)

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I used to email chat with a gal in Stockton,New South Wales,Australia
about four years ago.Tamara,you out there,Sweetheart?
cuhulin

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maybe we motorists should take a look at fully electric type cars, and
not be hostage to the world greedy petrol companies.
The solution to rising petrol prices is - DON'T USE IT !!
by Tom Slick


The solution to sky rocketing petrol prices is not to use petrol
powered vehicles. However tax addicted governments may not like it and
the oil suppliers will certainly not like it if we'd all stop running
to the bowsers to fill up and get ripped off!!. Well tough luck, people
are sick and tired of the BS fed to them by Governments and the OIL
industries.... Even the commercial media are loath to talk about
alternate vehicle technologies that have been available for ages but
suppressed by the powers to be. Things are about to change though as
the following article explains....

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DontCrush.com Announces Toyota Victory, Launches Plug In Americaâ?¢
Former CIA Director joins auto engineers and advocates to encourage
automakers to produce petroleum-free, pollution-free cars

Los Angeles â?? In an international telephone press conference today
DontCrush.com, lauded Toyotaâ??s recent decision to keep its
zero-emission, battery-electric RAV 4 SUVs on the road. Joined by a
former CIA-director, an ex-GM employee, an EV engineer, and the
Southern California Edison Electric Transportation director,
DontCrush.com is declaring a victory in its efforts to save
Americaâ??s last remaining petroleum-free, pollution-free vehicles.

DontCrush.comâ??s success in saving Toyotaâ??s RAV4 EV, the Ford
Th!nk City EV and Ford Ranger EV from the crusher while bringing
national attention to
General Motorsâ?? decision to destroy its popular EV1s, have inspired
the group to help America move towards an oil-independent future with
Plug In Americaâ?¢, a new advocacy organization launched today. The
organization will work with industry, environmental and national
security organizations, and concerned citizens to revive plug-in auto
production and give Americans the freedom to choose cars, trucks, and
SUVs that are powered by cleaner, cheaper, domestic sources of energy.

Following a three-month campaign, Toyota agreed to stop crushing its
RAV4 EV, and allow satisfied customers to lease or buy their
zero-emission SUVs. Electric vehicle advocates, long dismissed as
â??fanaticsâ?? or â??hobbyistsâ?? by automakers, are in fact
speaking for the majority of Americans concerned about national
security, public health, rising gas prices, and global warming. A
recent Reuters survey found that most Americans believe it is patriotic
to buy a fuel-efficient vehicle to help reduce American dependency on
foreign oil. Nearly no oil is used for making electricity in the U.S;
over 70% of our oil is consumed for transportation. Plug in America
wants the government and automakers to prioritize building and
marketing plug-in vehicles now.

Plug In America
Pulling away from the pump and plugging into our nationâ??s extensive
electric infrastructure would mean that Americans could immediately
make the switch to cheaper, cleaner, domestic energy sources to power
cars, trucks and SUVs. The cost of plugging in to the grid and charging
up at home is the equivalent of pennies per gallon on the average
electric bill as compared to $3.00-plus a gallon at the pump today. The
widespread use of renewable energy like solar and wind power is on the
rise across America and offers drivers the opportunity to plug-in to
fossil-fuel free energy. With a plug-in hybrid, which uses a
battery-powered electric motor for the first 30 to 50 miles, most
American commuters would rarely if ever need to fill up or even top off
with gasoline unless making a long trip. Since 50 percent of Americans
do not drive more than 20 miles per day, the electric range of a
plug-in hybrid would power nearly all of our daily driving.

A Brief History of EVs and The People Who Tried to Destroy Them
DontCrush.com started in 2004 in response to auto companiesâ?? ongoing
destruction of their electric cars after successfully eviscerating
Californiaâ??s Zero Emission Vehicle Mandate. Despite enormous
popularity including waiting lists to lease the all-electric,
zero-emission vehicles, the auto industry spent millions lobbying
Sacramento and suing in federal court to take the cars off the road and
replace them with gasoline cars as the only readily available option.
Successful grassroots interventions including demonstrations at
dealerships, car-sit vigils, and public education rallies helped save
from the crusher hundreds of Ford and Toyota electric cars.

DontCrush.comâ??s efforts have received public support from the
American Lung Association, CalCars.org, California Assembly Member Fran
Pavley, California Assembly Member Mark Leno, California Environmental
Protection Agency Secretary Alan Lloyd, California State Senator Sheila
Kuehl, Electric Auto Association, Environment Now, Global Exchange,
Greenpeace, Jumpstart Ford Coalition, Natural Resources Defense
Council, Orange County Interfaith Coalition for the Environment,
Rainforest Action Network, Set America Free, Sierra Club, City of Santa
Monica, South Coast Air Quality Management District and the Union of
Concerned Scientists.

Supporting Statements
James Woolsey, former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency and
member of Plug In America coalition and Set America Free, is a
well-known advocate of plug-in hybrid technology. â??We must encourage
the commercialization of technologies that are compatible with existing
infrastructure. What makes plug-in hybrids promising is that they are;
we donâ??t need a Manhattan Project to make this happen.â??

"Southern California Edison is proud to operate one of the nation's
largest and most successful EV fleets, â??says Ed Kjaer, Director of
Electric Transportation Department of Southern California Edison.
â??Since its inception, SCE's EV fleet has traveled almost 12 million
trouble-free miles delivering significant petroleum, emissions and
green house gas reductions as well as lower maintenance and operating
costs. Thanks to the continuing support of Toyota and as a testament to
the quality, durability and reliability of their world class EV, SCE is
committed to maintaining its almost 180 Toyota RAV4 EVs indefinitely."

â??The waiting lists and public campaigns for plug-in vehicles only
proves that the demand for these cars has always gone unfulfilled by
the automakers,â?? says Chelsea Sexton, Plug In America organizer and
former GM EV1 specialist. â??There was compelling demand a decade ago
when large EV programs started and were killed. That demand has only
increased exponentially as the nation has come to realize the
devastating consequences of depending on foreign oil.â??

â??Four years and over 30,000 miles driving electric cars has proven
to me that the best way for us individually and as a nation to use less
oil is to have the choice to use none,â?? says Marc Geller, Plug In
America organizer. â??Automakers need to offer plug- in electric
alternatives, because electricity from the American grid, or in my case
my solar PV panels, is cleaner, cheaper and domestic. We shouldn't have
to pay off oil companies or undemocratic regimes just to get to work.
Disruptions in oil supply â?? in Iraq, in Louisiana - compel us to
move quickly. We need choices. Now. Unlike the ever-more distant
panacea of hydrogen fuel cells, plug in technology works today, and the
infrastructure is ubiquitous. The automakers have already proven they
can make great plug in cars. I drive one past gas stations every
day.â??

â??Before I leased my RAV4 EV, I never knew how much Iâ??d love it.
After I had it, I had no idea how hard Iâ??d have to fight to keep
it,â?? explains Linda Nichols, Toyota RAV4 EV owner. â??Toyotaâ??s
turnaround is a courageous decision to respond to consumer demand and
revise a policy created years ago for the benefit of their customers as
well as the environment.â??

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