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27.5 - 28 MHz SSB??
Hi,
Well I'm listening to my RF-2200 here in south Jersey and I am hearing activity on 27.5 - 28 MHz SSB. It sounds like amateurs and some are in KY, VA but I haven't ID'd any callsigns. I know 10m starts at 28.1 and CB ends at 27.40 but does anyone know what I'm listening to in this range from 27.5 to 28?? Thanks, Bill |
27.5 - 28 MHz SSB??
"Bill" wrote in message ... I know 10m starts at 28.1 and CB ends at 27.40 but does anyone know what I'm listening to in this range from 27.5 to 28?? You probably won't hear any callsigns, because these are most likely freebanders. Freebanding is illlegal out-of-band operating in the area just below, in-between and above the recognized standard 40 channel Citizens Band allocation, which means from 26-28 MHz. Jackie |
27.5 - 28 MHz SSB??
Well I've verified further using the digital accuracy of my VR500. The
frequency I'm monitoring is 27.475 LSB and what I just heard is "618 this is 502 in Tennessee" as the beginning of a conversation. I'm in south NJ so would this be freebander skip?? Buzzygirl wrote: "Bill" wrote in message ... I know 10m starts at 28.1 and CB ends at 27.40 but does anyone know what I'm listening to in this range from 27.5 to 28?? You probably won't hear any callsigns, because these are most likely freebanders. Freebanding is illlegal out-of-band operating in the area just below, in-between and above the recognized standard 40 channel Citizens Band allocation, which means from 26-28 MHz. Jackie |
27.5 - 28 MHz SSB??
"Bill" wrote in message ... Well I've verified further using the digital accuracy of my VR500. The frequency I'm monitoring is 27.475 LSB and what I just heard is "618 this is 502 in Tennessee" as the beginning of a conversation. I'm in south NJ so would this be freebander skip?? It could be, but freebander convention is to use USB. This is not to say nobody ever uses LSB. |
27.5 - 28 MHz SSB??
Well thanks to all for the replies. I Googled "freebander" and now
understand something I previously never knew. Back in the late '70's I worked at HyGain in NE during the CB craze. We heard and knew of locals that modified their radios to work above 27.405 (Ch40) but I never imagined this would evolve into a new and welcomed hobby. It's great now to hear conversations that, back in the '70's were common on CB, when we all gave our calls at the end of conversations. (I was KMD5224 and met new friends with my radio). Late in the 70's things in the CB channels degenerated and only got worse as time went on. I gave up the CB hobby and never looked back. Now that freebanding has become the next phase of it, I'm thinking about joining a local DX group down here in NJ. Thanks for enlightening me. --Bill Brenda Ann wrote: "Bill" wrote in message ... Well I've verified further using the digital accuracy of my VR500. The frequency I'm monitoring is 27.475 LSB and what I just heard is "618 this is 502 in Tennessee" as the beginning of a conversation. I'm in south NJ so would this be freebander skip?? It could be, but freebander convention is to use USB. This is not to say nobody ever uses LSB. |
27.5 - 28 MHz SSB??
Bill wrote:
Well thanks to all for the replies. I Googled "freebander" and now understand something I previously never knew. Back in the late '70's I worked at HyGain in NE during the CB craze. We heard and knew of locals that modified their radios to work above 27.405 (Ch40) but I never imagined this would evolve into a new and welcomed hobby. It's great now to hear conversations that, back in the '70's were common on CB, when we all gave our calls at the end of conversations. (I was KMD5224 and met new friends with my radio). Late in the 70's things in the CB channels degenerated and only got worse as time went on. I gave up the CB hobby and never looked back. Now that freebanding has become the next phase of it, I'm thinking about joining a local DX group down here in NJ. Thanks for enlightening me. --Bill New and welcomed hobby? Freebanding is illegal. And it's not without an interference penalty, interrupting legal communications by licensed operators on those frequencies. I don't often get into the FCC bashing mode, but putting Citizens Radio Service on 11 meters was one of the most bone headed decisions to come out of Gettysburg. Citizens Radio Service was to be local only, limited power, short range communication. It has a radius limit in the charter. And yet, they put it on one of the best propagation bands in the spectrum. When I was experimenting with CB in the mid 60's, I had an Arvin HT with 100 milliwatts, and got to chatting with a licensed operator about nothing in particular. (Which I later found out was a violation of his licensing provisions.) He was aware I was working a license free HT, but he thought I was just a local kid. I thought he was the CB station at the end of the block. We were both stunned when we realized that he was in North Carolina and I was in Florissant, Missouri. Most of the time, CB WAS local. But at least once a day, the skip started rolling in, and it was no holds barred. To expect communications to remain local under such circumstances, was absurd. When CB caught on, and the bands became overcrowded, there were mod shops in every other strip mall in my area. And type accepted equipment was 'fixed' to work out of band for a nominal fee. When informed that such modifications were illegal to put on the bands, users usually either laughed outright, or came back with a level of rationalizations why it was NOT illegal that would have qualified them for Congress. Freebanders grew out of this mindset. And they defend themselves with a vengeance. But make no mistake. Freebanding is illegal. On several fronts. And it does affect other services. Embracing freebanding does not make you an enthusiastic hobbyist. It makes you part of the problem. Brenda Ann wrote: "Bill" wrote in message ... Well I've verified further using the digital accuracy of my VR500. The frequency I'm monitoring is 27.475 LSB and what I just heard is "618 this is 502 in Tennessee" as the beginning of a conversation. I'm in south NJ so would this be freebander skip?? It could be, but freebander convention is to use USB. This is not to say nobody ever uses LSB. |
27.5 - 28 MHz SSB??
Peter,
I cannot argue your points and I do recall those stories about (illegally) modding the CB's. I kinda thought, in the back of my mind, that freebanding IS illegal as I read the freebander web sites. But it sounds like it's become a widespread occurrance and one that can not easily be stopped. But one of the web sites argued that the participants were beyond and above the CB mentality and, not that it makes it right, it seems that freebanders abide by some sort of rules and somewhat loose regulations, albeit non-governmental. I changed my mind...I'll not join them; I'll just listen in. --Bill D Peter Maus wrote: Bill wrote: Well thanks to all for the replies. I Googled "freebander" and now understand something I previously never knew. Back in the late '70's I worked at HyGain in NE during the CB craze. We heard and knew of locals that modified their radios to work above 27.405 (Ch40) but I never imagined this would evolve into a new and welcomed hobby. It's great now to hear conversations that, back in the '70's were common on CB, when we all gave our calls at the end of conversations. (I was KMD5224 and met new friends with my radio). Late in the 70's things in the CB channels degenerated and only got worse as time went on. I gave up the CB hobby and never looked back. Now that freebanding has become the next phase of it, I'm thinking about joining a local DX group down here in NJ. Thanks for enlightening me. --Bill New and welcomed hobby? Freebanding is illegal. And it's not without an interference penalty, interrupting legal communications by licensed operators on those frequencies. I don't often get into the FCC bashing mode, but putting Citizens Radio Service on 11 meters was one of the most bone headed decisions to come out of Gettysburg. Citizens Radio Service was to be local only, limited power, short range communication. It has a radius limit in the charter. And yet, they put it on one of the best propagation bands in the spectrum. When I was experimenting with CB in the mid 60's, I had an Arvin HT with 100 milliwatts, and got to chatting with a licensed operator about nothing in particular. (Which I later found out was a violation of his licensing provisions.) He was aware I was working a license free HT, but he thought I was just a local kid. I thought he was the CB station at the end of the block. We were both stunned when we realized that he was in North Carolina and I was in Florissant, Missouri. Most of the time, CB WAS local. But at least once a day, the skip started rolling in, and it was no holds barred. To expect communications to remain local under such circumstances, was absurd. When CB caught on, and the bands became overcrowded, there were mod shops in every other strip mall in my area. And type accepted equipment was 'fixed' to work out of band for a nominal fee. When informed that such modifications were illegal to put on the bands, users usually either laughed outright, or came back with a level of rationalizations why it was NOT illegal that would have qualified them for Congress. Freebanders grew out of this mindset. And they defend themselves with a vengeance. But make no mistake. Freebanding is illegal. On several fronts. And it does affect other services. Embracing freebanding does not make you an enthusiastic hobbyist. It makes you part of the problem. Brenda Ann wrote: "Bill" wrote in message ... Well I've verified further using the digital accuracy of my VR500. The frequency I'm monitoring is 27.475 LSB and what I just heard is "618 this is 502 in Tennessee" as the beginning of a conversation. I'm in south NJ so would this be freebander skip?? It could be, but freebander convention is to use USB. This is not to say nobody ever uses LSB. |
27.5 - 28 MHz SSB??
Bill wrote:
Hi, Well I'm listening to my RF-2200 here in south Jersey and I am hearing activity on 27.5 - 28 MHz SSB. It sounds like amateurs and some are in KY, VA but I haven't ID'd any callsigns. I know 10m starts at 28.1 and CB ends at 27.40 but does anyone know what I'm listening to in this range from 27.5 to 28?? Thanks, Bill You are hearing operators operating illegally on the so-called 'freeband', there is no freeband as these frequencies are allocated to other services. These are refugees from the cb band who are either to ignorant to know they are operating on frequencies they are not authorized to use, or the "I bought this here radio and I can operate it anywhere I want to" mentality. These are the same ones that encroach into the ten meter amateur band. They somehow have the misguided notion that if they own a transmitter they can transmit where ever they please. |
27.5 - 28 MHz SSB??
Now that
freebanding has become the next phase of it, I'm thinking about joining a local DX group down here in NJ. Next phase? The freebanders have been there for years and years. The main mindset of the freebanders was to get away from all the "ruckus" on the legal channels, and have a quieter play to talk, and thus play "serious radio boy". LOL... I've got many friends that have talked there, and I've even talked there myself on a few occasions back in the 80's. The "freeband" was mainly taking the "secret" channel thing a large step farther. IE: many used to like to talk on 22a, or whatever it was, and many often talked on the channels below the legal band. But those got crowded after a while, so the push was upward towards 28 mhz. Very few actual "freebanders" will talk on the 10m ham band. They know better, and stay away. Most will hang out in the .405-600?? range, but some do go higher. Here in Houston , 27.800 used to be a real popular freq that was used by "serious" Cbers, and hams that wanted to chit chat with the local CBers. It's mainly the truckers that are plopping on 10m ham band, and that is a fairly recent thing. . They don't care where they go, as long as they can talk. Myself, I don't see much incentive to hang on the freeband, when getting a legal ham ticket is so easy these days. Who would wanna be stuck from 27.405 to 28.000 when you can have 28.000 to 29 plus legally. :/ Not to mention all the other bands. Sounds like to me, you would be better off getting a ham ticket. Much more useful being you aren't tied down to a band that is dead half the time. Even a legal ham on 10m is pretty limited this time of the solar cycle. BTW.. .Many freebanders use ham radios and have VFO's, etc.. I've seen some freebanders that ran better gear than I do on the ham bands... :/ IE: Icom 756pro's, etc, etc...Whatta waste of a radio...:( But some use modded CB's... MK |
27.5 - 28 MHz SSB??
D Peter Maus wrote:
I don't often get into the FCC bashing mode, but putting Citizens Radio Service on 11 meters was one of the most bone headed decisions to come out of Gettysburg. Just as today's 2.4 GHz band is open territory because it's shared with microwave ovens, yesterday's 27 MHz was shared with diathermy equipment, which was in wide use when CB was new but had fallen into disuse by the mainstream by the mid sixties. -- If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination, my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin. |
27.5 - 28 MHz SSB??
"OregonMike" wrote in message I'm not sure how recent it is. I've been dealing with idiot truckers bootlegging on 10m since the 80's. Many bootleg in the cw section of the band and stand out quite noticeably. I remember one idiot trucker popping up on top a CW station from Thailand just on in the static but copiable and having heard my call come from him and ready to swap signal reports, his moronic audio toys (echoes, reverb, beeps, amplified voice) totally wipe out any chance anybody had of working that rare one on 10m cw. OM There seems to be allot more aholes all over the HF spectrum from outbanders to ahole hams with an ax to grind. BH |
27.5 - 28 MHz SSB??
D Peter Maus wrote: snip I don't often get into the FCC bashing mode, but putting Citizens Radio Service on 11 meters was one of the most bone headed decisions to come out of Gettysburg. Citizens Radio Service was to be local only, limited power, short range communication. It has a radius limit in the charter. And yet, they put it on one of the best propagation bands in the spectrum. When I was experimenting with CB in the mid 60's, I had an Arvin HT with 100 milliwatts, and got to chatting with a licensed operator about nothing in particular. (Which I later found out was a violation of his licensing provisions.) He was aware I was working a license free HT, but he thought I was just a local kid. I thought he was the CB station at the end of the block. We were both stunned when we realized that he was in North Carolina and I was in Florissant, Missouri. snip ----------------------------------- I dislike almost every decission the FCC has made since it's inception. But in regards to class D CB..... There wasn't a whole lot of choice. Class A, ~4645MHz, just wasn't feasable with 1950 technology, and died on the vine so to speak. There was a clear need for a simpler licensing scheme for small bussiness and farm/ranches. We can "thank" Firestone Tire for demonstrating an inexpensive 11M transceiver. I suspect that no one in the FCC, or Friestone for that mater, could have any idea that CB would take off. And until Japen introduced low cost transistor units CB was mostly used by busineses. I am just glad the FCC didn't snag 6M or 2M for CB use. Too bad they didn't stick in the 72~76MHz hole between TV CH4 and CH5. Terry |
27.5 - 28 MHz SSB??
"Bill" wrote:
27.475 LSB ... so would this be freebander skip?? Brenda Ann replied: It could be, but freebander convention is to use USB. This is not to say nobody ever uses LSB. If it's coming in on the "wrong" sideband it could be an image (455khz IF?) or hetrodyne in the receiver from the "legal" CB band. What is the official allocation in 27.5-28MHz anymore? For a while there were commercial users but I don't know if they're still around. Tim. |
27.5 - 28 MHz SSB??
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27.5 - 28 MHz SSB??
What is the official allocation in 27.5-28MHz anymore? For a while
there were commercial users but I don't know if they're still around. The last time I looked, the official allocation was aviation. There may be secondary users though...Saying that, I've never heard an aircraft using that band. Actually...I don't believe I've ever heard anyone using that band except CBers, but I never really listened too awful hard. Biz users are probably fairly recent I bet.. I've heard quite a few of those on the low VHF band when it's opened up. MK |
27.5 - 28 MHz SSB??
I've been dealing with idiot truckers
bootlegging on 10m since the 80's. Many bootleg in the cw section of the band and stand out quite noticeably. Oh I've heard em. I used to crank up my henry console when they started that mess with me. A KW+ on 10m will brown the food. I'd make their bootlegging as painful as possible for them. All they would hear is "WHUMP_WHUMP_WHUMP" if on AM. On SSB, of course they would hear the tone, but it would still be difficult for them to carry on. I'm such a radio bully. :/ I guess they did kinda start out in the late 80's now that I think about it. Time flies so fast, that almost seems like yesterday sometimes... I used to work lots of CW on 10m, and I had little mercy for any CBers that thought they should share the freq with me. I could hurt them lots worse than they hurt me, being I was receiving CW with tighter filters.. I never used the amp for normal use on 10m...Overkill...But I'd fire it up for them just to give them a good toasting. I'd almost always be able to run em off the freq. MK |
27.5 - 28 MHz SSB??
In article .com,
wrote: I guess they did kinda start out in the late 80's now that I think about it. Time flies so fast, that almost seems like yesterday sometimes... I think it got bad when a bunch of 10 meter synthesized rigs were made when Novice/Techs got voice privileges on 10 meters. As I remember, they were reported to be retuneable down to 26-28 with a few jumpers. Sold at truck stops and the like, as they ran more power than a legal CB. Mark Zenier Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com) |
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