Will be using a long wire strung around inside of the house for now when I
get my tabletop. Where the radio will be there are no pipes etc, what is the
best way to ground, can I use the center screw of the electric outlet. Been
using protables now & a set top with a whip built in antenna (RS394).

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 13:02:01 GMT, "Steve Rabinowitz"
wrote:

Will be using a long wire strung around inside of the house for now when I
get my tabletop. Where the radio will be there are no pipes etc, what is the
best way to ground, can I use the center screw of the electric outlet. Been
using protables now & a set top with a whip built in antenna (RS394).


Only if your mains wiring is in metallic pipe or raceways. Otherwise
I'd run a discrete wire.

Is there any where in the house or must I attch to a metal stake in the
ground. Would rather not run the wire outside,
"David" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 13:02:01 GMT, "Steve Rabinowitz"
wrote:

Will be using a long wire strung around inside of the house for now when I
get my tabletop. Where the radio will be there are no pipes etc, what is
the
best way to ground, can I use the center screw of the electric outlet.
Been
using protables now & a set top with a whip built in antenna (RS394).


Only if your mains wiring is in metallic pipe or raceways. Otherwise
I'd run a discrete wire.

SR,

Vice using the questionable the Ground {Green Wire} of your
Household AC Power System.

Why not consider a simple Around-the-Room {Ceiling Level}
Horizontal [Flat] Loop Antenna. The Loop Antenna is consider
a 'blanced' Antenna that does not require a Ground and is
Horizontally Polarized so it generally pick-up less man made noise.

The "In-Door" Horizontal [Flat] Loop Antenna is easy to build;
usually is relatively long 40-60 Feet for an In-Door Antenna;
and relatively lower noise pick-up to an in-door vertical antenna
or long wire antenna.

The Radio or Receiver can be run off of AC with an AC Ground
connection via the AC Power Plug or DC without any Ground
connection at all.

something to consider - iane ~ RHF

"RHF" wrote in message
oups.com...
SR,

Vice using the questionable the Ground {Green Wire} of your
Household AC Power System.

Why not consider a simple Around-the-Room {Ceiling Level}
Horizontal [Flat] Loop Antenna. The Loop Antenna is consider
a 'blanced' Antenna that does not require a Ground and is
Horizontally Polarized so it generally pick-up less man made noise.

The "In-Door" Horizontal [Flat] Loop Antenna is easy to build;
usually is relatively long 40-60 Feet for an In-Door Antenna;
and relatively lower noise pick-up to an in-door vertical antenna
or long wire antenna.

The Radio or Receiver can be run off of AC with an AC Ground
connection via the AC Power Plug or DC without any Ground
connection at all.

something to consider - iane ~ RHF
.
.

RHF,

This is the first time I recall you *not* posting a link to materials/instructions for
building the antenna you recommended in your reply.

It seems like one I've seen you refer to previously, but darned if I can find it in my saved
newsgroup messages.

Sanjaya,

Wire Wire Everywhere . . . Pick a Wire - Any Wire !

Ninty Feet (90-Ft.) of 22 AWG Stranded Hook-Up Wire
RadioShack Catalog # 278-1218
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2036275

Fifty-Five Feet (55-Ft.) of 18 AWG Stranded Hook-Up Wire
RadioShack Catalog # 278-1220
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2049741

Fifty-Five Feet (55-Ft.) of 18 AWG Stranded Hook-Up Wire
RadioShack Catalog # 278-1220
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2049741

Fifty Feet (50-Ft.) of 24 AWG Clear Insulation Stranded Speaker Wire
RadioShack Catalog # 278-1301
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2102499
[ For That "Instant" Dipole Antenna ]
- In-Door In-the-Attic In-the-Room -

For that "No-See-Um" [Hidden] Ceiling Loop Antenna . . .
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...a4ff8558eb78c8

Fifty Feet (50-Ft.) of White 30 AWG Single Strand
Kynar Insulated Wire Wraping Wire
RadioShack Catalog # 278-502
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2062641

The loop will be unbalanced if you don't use a balun. Of course, my
solution is to buy the Wellbrook ALA100.

At 40ft of wire, I find two BCB stations about 20 miles away force my
7030 to switch on the attenuator. I have maybe 10db before the s-meter
is pegged, so I wouldn't go much beyond 60ft if you get the wellbrook.

RHF wrote:
SR,

Vice using the questionable the Ground {Green Wire} of your
Household AC Power System.

Why not consider a simple Around-the-Room {Ceiling Level}
Horizontal [Flat] Loop Antenna. The Loop Antenna is consider
a 'blanced' Antenna that does not require a Ground and is
Horizontally Polarized so it generally pick-up less man made noise.

The "In-Door" Horizontal [Flat] Loop Antenna is easy to build;
usually is relatively long 40-60 Feet for an In-Door Antenna;
and relatively lower noise pick-up to an in-door vertical antenna
or long wire antenna.

The Radio or Receiver can be run off of AC with an AC Ground
connection via the AC Power Plug or DC without any Ground
connection at all.

something to consider - iane ~ RHF
.
.
. .
.

Hi,

Question re the "loop"

Would you connect the end of the loop to the beginning, thus making a "true
loop" up there, or just leave it
open at the end ? Why ?

What is the effect of the vertical run down to the receiver ?
Would you suggest coax for this vertical section, or usually not necessary ?

Bob

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"RHF" wrote in message
oups.com...
SR,

Vice using the questionable the Ground {Green Wire} of your
Household AC Power System.

Why not consider a simple Around-the-Room {Ceiling Level}
Horizontal [Flat] Loop Antenna. The Loop Antenna is consider
a 'blanced' Antenna that does not require a Ground and is
Horizontally Polarized so it generally pick-up less man made noise.

The "In-Door" Horizontal [Flat] Loop Antenna is easy to build;
usually is relatively long 40-60 Feet for an In-Door Antenna;
and relatively lower noise pick-up to an in-door vertical antenna
or long wire antenna.

The Radio or Receiver can be run off of AC with an AC Ground
connection via the AC Power Plug or DC without any Ground
connection at all.

something to consider - iane ~ RHF
.
.
. .
.

Robert 11,

THE LOOP ANTENNA ELEMENT :
The Loop being a Square/Rectangular Shaped Loop completes the
Circling of the Room around the Four Walls. Both Ends of the Loop
come together at some point on the Wall or at a Corner of the Walls
near the Ceiling and are connected to a Pair {Two} Parallel Wire
Feed-in-Line that goes down to the Radio's Antenna Input.

THE FEED-IN-LINE :
The short vertical Feed-in-Line for this type of In-Door {In-the-Room}
Loop Antenna is usually a Pair {Two} Parallel Wires.
* 300 Ohm TV type Twin Lead works well as a Feed-in-Line
for this type of Loop Antenna.
* Speaker Wire also can be used; either flat or twisted will work.
* The basic wire used to make the Wire Loop Antenna Element
can be continued as a single piece from the Radio up the Wall;
around the Four Walls; and down back to the Radio. If this is
done then it is recommended that the short vertical parallel run
has the two Wires Twisted together.
* A piece of Audio Coax Cable can also be used; especially if
the Radio uses an 1/8" Mono Jack for the External Antenna Input.


WANT A BIGGER LOOP ANTENNA - PUT IT IN THE ATTIC :
[ When an Out-Side / Out-Doors Antenna is NOT Permitted. ]

KISAP: I recommend using TV type Antenna Parts for most
"In-the-Attic" Antenna installations.

* 75 Ohm Coax Cable for the Feed-in-Line for Household
'man-made' Noise RFI/EMF Reduction.

* TV 75 Ohm to 300 Ohm Matching Transformer (Balun) for
Noise RFI/EMF Reduction and AM/MW Band Signal Reduction.

* TV 300 Ohm Twin Lead for the Wire Antenna Element
50-100 Feet -or- 90 Feet of Insulated Hook-Up Wire.

* "F" Jack to 1/8" Plug (1/8" Mono-Jack Adapter)
RadioShack Catalog # 278-257

READ - For Shortwave Listening (SWL) here is a "Simpler" Horizontal
Loop Antenna in the Attic using common TV type Parts.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...a/message/6656
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...59a36c32f5ecd7


READ - Shortwave Listeners (SWL) Horizontal Loop Antenna
built with common and cheap TV Parts
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...a/message/6135
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...8323867b8b44a3



ADDITIONAL READING LIST - Here are several Messages
to Read about In-the-Attic Antennas:

* Things-to-Think-about: Using Attic Antenna with the your
'portable' AM/FM/Shortwave Radio.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...a/message/1658

* A Compilation of "In-the-ATTIC" Antennas
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...na/message/426

* Low Cost SWL Antenna (Made From TV Parts)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...nna/message/17

* ATTIC - Receiving Antenna Question - Think Loop made from TV Parts
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...a/message/1635

* Ground Required At Balun ? {Getting "Grounded" in your Attic}
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...na/message/287

* Snake-in-the-Attic SWL Antenna {Simplest Low Noise Attic Antenna}
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...na/message/313
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...na/message/317

* AM/MW Band Signal Reduction using TV Type Coax Cable Parts
for better Shortwave Listener Antenna
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...na/message/930

* Simple SW Antenna = Improved Random Wire Antenna
using TV Antenna Parts
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...na/message/740
..
..
hope this helps - iane ~ RHF

Dear Steve,

If you run any kind of wire in your house, you probably will not need
any grounding at all. Just to check, however, try the radio without
grounding at first and then try hooking up a ground and see if there is
any improvement or any difference at all. (The ground on your
electrical outlet is fine for this experiment.)

RHF and BPNJensen's posts are also correct. A loop antenna used inside
a house may give better performance than just plain wire run randomly
and loops generally need no grounding.

As a matter of fact, in my personal experience, a loop antenna, indoors
or outdoors, will afford much better reception quality (S/N ratio) than
long wires in areas where there is a great deal of local electrical
interference as loops tend to "reject" such interference.

You might want to try to make (or buy) a loop antenna and mount it in a
window. There are several sources on the web for instructions and a
very good book is Joe Carr's LOOP ANTENNA HANDBOOK.

Do try a good antenna on your Satellit 800. I think you'll be very
pleased.

Best,

Joe