World-wide 180 meter SSB Contest - TONIGHT
 

The CQ World-Wide SSB 160 Meter DX Contest

http://www.cq-amateur-radio.com/160C...s122705NEW.pdf

The objective of these contests is for Amateur Radio (Ham) operators around
the world to contact other amateurs in as many U.S. states, Canadian
provinces, and countries as possible on the 160 meter band.

Started: 0000Z February 25 ( 7 p.m. EST Friday Feb. 24 )
Ends at: 2359Z February 26 ( 7 p.m. EST Sunday Feb. 26 )

Mode: LSB (voice)

Frequency: 1.8kHz to about 1.9kHz
That is just above the MW (AM) broadcast band! So expect propagation
characteristics to be best during night time hours with possible interesting
propagation occurring within the half hours before and after your local
sunset and sunrise times.

Contestants exchange "RS" signal report (typically "59") and state for U.S.,
province for Canada, and either prefix or country abbreviation for DX.

A typical exchange might be "Five Nine Oscar Hotel" = 59 OH (Ohio).

For SWL's it give you the opportunity to quickly identify the location of
each station, learn the propagation characteristics of the 180 meter band
and learn how to tune in SSB stations.

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SeeingEyeD0g wrote:

Frequency: 1.8kHz to about 1.9kHz
That is just above the MW (AM) broadcast band! So expect propagation
characteristics to be best during night time hours with possible interesting
propagation occurring within the half hours before and after your local
sunset and sunrise times.

Also known as "gray line propagation", when the terminator passes over
your location. And yes, it really does work. I qso'ed Hawaii from
Michigan on 160 a few times via gray line...

After the sun comes up, the D-layer absorption goes waaay up and 160
(and the BC band) is basically good for ground wave only.

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"Carter, K8VT" wrote:

SeeingEyeD0g wrote:

Frequency: 1.8kHz to about 1.9kHz
That is just above the MW (AM) broadcast band! So expect propagation
characteristics to be best during night time hours with possible interesting
propagation occurring within the half hours before and after your local
sunset and sunrise times.

Also known as "gray line propagation", when the terminator passes over
your location. And yes, it really does work. I qso'ed Hawaii from
Michigan on 160 a few times via gray line...

At what time would both Hawaii and Michigan be on the grey line?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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helmsman wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:24:56 -0500, dxAce
wrote:


At what time would both Hawaii and Michigan be on the grey line?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

No cigar. Only 3854 nautical miles apart.

That's right! So no grey line propagation. Sunrise enhancement perhaps, but not
true grey line.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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dxAce wrote:

"Carter, K8VT" wrote:

SeeingEyeD0g wrote:

Frequency: 1.8kHz to about 1.9kHz That is just above the MW (AM)
broadcast band! So expect propagation characteristics to be best
during night time hours with possible interesting propagation
occurring within the half hours before and after your local
sunset and sunrise times.
Also known as "gray line propagation", when the terminator passes
over your location. And yes, it really does work. I qso'ed Hawaii
from Michigan on 160 a few times via gray line...

At what time would both Hawaii and Michigan be on the grey line?

And your point is???

They both don't have to be. Please see the real propagation experts
quoted below (not some humbug from a blathering, self-appointed "ace"
poseur). Especially take note of the final sentence of the second quote.

The gray line is not a simple north/south line running around the
globe from pole to pole across the equator; rather, it presents
numerous east/west possibilities.

and from another big gun low band propagation expert:

Some authors have stated that gray line propagation always occurs
along the terminator. On the low bands, there has been only
occasional proof of such propagation. Rather, propagation is through
the dark zone, on a path that (in most cases) is nearly
perpendicular to the terminator. Gray line propagation on the low
bands is a different affair from what is often called gray line
propagation on the (higher) HF bands, where the propagation path does
follow the direction of the gray line.

Also, your mileage figure is about 700 miles short (not that it makes
any difference, mechanism-wise; it just shows a further lack of research
on your part).

So, two items were discussed: mileage and mechanism--and you struck out
on both. Some "ace" you are... :-(

Now be a good boggle boy and finish your homework...

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All this yammering and no one caught the obvious error:

Frequency: 1.8kHz to about 1.9kHz

Should read 1.8 Mhz to about 1.9 MHz or 1800 kHz to about 1900 kHz - D'oh!

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SeeingEyeD0g wrote:

All this yammering and no one caught the obvious error:

Frequency: 1.8kHz to about 1.9kHz

Should read 1.8 Mhz to about 1.9 MHz or 1800 kHz to about 1900 kHz - D'oh!

Oh it was caught, but I didn't want to confuse ol' Carter even more. He has his
hands full trying to understand that a signal that doesn't follow the grey line
shouldn't be called grey line propagation.

What he actually has is sunrise enhancement or what may be an even better name
for it might be 'terminator enhancement'.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:29:48 -0500, dxAce
wrote:



SeeingEyeD0g wrote:

All this yammering and no one caught the obvious error:

Frequency: 1.8kHz to about 1.9kHz

Should read 1.8 Mhz to about 1.9 MHz or 1800 kHz to about 1900 kHz - D'oh!

Oh it was caught, but I didn't want to confuse ol' Carter even more. He has his
hands full trying to understand that a signal that doesn't follow the grey line
shouldn't be called grey line propagation.

What he actually has is sunrise enhancement or what may be an even better name
for it might be 'terminator enhancement'.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

As long as we're all catching errors ......... should not the title be
160 meter SSB contest??

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In article ,
dxAce wrote:

"Carter, K8VT" wrote:

SeeingEyeD0g wrote:

Frequency: 1.8kHz to about 1.9kHz
That is just above the MW (AM) broadcast band! So expect propagation
characteristics to be best during night time hours with possible
interesting
propagation occurring within the half hours before and after your local
sunset and sunrise times.

Also known as "gray line propagation", when the terminator passes over
your location. And yes, it really does work. I qso'ed Hawaii from
Michigan on 160 a few times via gray line...

At what time would both Hawaii and Michigan be on the grey line?

During the next pole shift!

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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dxAce wrote:


What you had was sunrise enhancement, not grey line. I've already done my
homework (in other words, I don't believe that, 'big gun' or not).

Well, you sure do like to like to eat dust. I gave you a clue and a
chance to do a little bit of research to prove your "ace-hood", but you
couldn't figure it out. Yet another failure for you.

The quote from the "big gun" you don't believe is John Devoldere, author
of "ON4UN's Low-Band DXing", a classic text that has gone through
numerous printings and two editions. He is regarded world-wide as THE
low band propagation expert.

He calls the mechanism described as gray-line, not enhancement. I have
no doubt that this is *exactly* what I experienced with my 160 meter
Hawaii qso's. Although I realize you have that pesky reading
comprehension problem, try going over his quote once more.

If you expect us to take the word of a blathering, self-appointed poseur
against the word of an internationally renowned propagation expert,
you're more delusional than we think.

Pardon me, but my money's on Mr. Devoldere, at least until you reach his
level of world acclaim for something other than being a poseur and
boggle boy extraordinaire.

World-wide 180 meter SSB Contest - TONIGHT
 

"Carter, K8VT" wrote:

dxAce wrote:


What you had was sunrise enhancement, not grey line. I've already done my
homework (in other words, I don't believe that, 'big gun' or not).

Well, you sure do like to like to eat dust. I gave you a clue and a
chance to do a little bit of research to prove your "ace-hood", but you
couldn't figure it out. Yet another failure for you.

The quote from the "big gun" you don't believe is John Devoldere, author
of "ON4UN's Low-Band DXing", a classic text that has gone through
numerous printings and two editions. He is regarded world-wide as THE
low band propagation expert.

He calls the mechanism described as gray-line, not enhancement. I have
no doubt that this is *exactly* what I experienced with my 160 meter
Hawaii qso's. Although I realize you have that pesky reading
comprehension problem, try going over his quote once more.

If you expect us to take the word of a blathering, self-appointed poseur
against the word of an internationally renowned propagation expert,
you're more delusional than we think.

Pardon me, but my money's on Mr. Devoldere, at least until you reach his
level of world acclaim for something other than being a poseur and
boggle boy extraordinaire.

You're incorrect. Grey line propagation means just what it says, propagation
ALONG the grey line. What you experienced was NOT grey line propagation since
Hawaii is not and was not on the grey line. Nor can it be from your QTH. Mr.
Devoldere can call it anything he likes, however that does not make it correct.

What you experienced was sunrise enhancement, plain and simple.

Sorry that you can't get a handle on that (nor the mileage issue!) but it's not
my problem!

You'd better go back to propagation school, boy.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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"Carter, K8VT" wrote:

Pardon me...

Sorry, can't do that as I'm not the Governor nor am I the President.

Wouldn't do it even if I was.

Perhaps you might take up trolling in an amateur radio group. Ask mommy if you
can. Ask nice.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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dxAce wrote:

You're incorrect. Grey line propagation means just what it says,
propagation ALONG the grey line.

Let me quote Mr. D once again:

Some authors have stated that gray line propagation always occurs
along the terminator. On the *low bands*, there has been only
occasional proof of such propagation. [my emphasis added]

Which virtually disputes what you said above.

He goes on to say:

Rather, propagation is through the dark zone, on a path that (in most
cases) is nearly perpendicular to the terminator.

Which is what I experienced--sunrise here, through the dark zone to
Hawaii, which is roughly perpendicular to Michigan.

Gray line propagation on the low bands is a *different affair* from
what is often called gray line propagation on the (higher) HF bands,
where the propagation path does follow the direction of the gray
line. [my emphasis added]

This may be where you are getting confused...

What you experienced was NOT grey line propagation since Hawaii is
not and was not on the grey line.

Read it again, slowly, (and fight that comprehension problem). On the
*low bands*, -it-doesn't-have-to-be -ON- the gray line.

Well, now let's have a little "Rocket Science 101"---do I believe a
blow-hard know-it-all (that doesn't) or do I believe the world's
foremost low band propagation expert. (Gee, I hate those hard decisions!)

P.S.

As you're such the expert and have had so much experience on 160 and
spent so much time on the band, please feel free to share *your* 160 DX
contacts with us...and don't forget to tell us the title of *your* book.

Oh?... What's that you say?... You can't? Well, sorry then, the smart
money is *still* on Mr. D.

(Damn, boy...you really *do* like that dust!)

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"Telamon" wrote

At what time would both Hawaii and Michigan be on the grey line?

During the next pole shift!


A shift of the "magnetic" pole, which is happening constantly, would have
zero impact on earth's sunrise/sunset times on any given point of the earth.
The earth would have to physically shift its "axis of rotation" away from
the North star to create a "gray line" that runs through Hawaii and the
mainland. The magnetic pole would follow it.

World-wide 160 meter SSB Contest - TONIGHT
 

On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:11:34 -0600, "SeeingEyeD0g"
wrote:

Congratulations!

Do I get the kewpie doll??


wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:29:48 -0500, dxAce
wrote:



SeeingEyeD0g wrote:

All this yammering and no one caught the obvious error:

Frequency: 1.8kHz to about 1.9kHz

Should read 1.8 Mhz to about 1.9 MHz or 1800 kHz to about 1900 kHz -
D'oh!

Oh it was caught, but I didn't want to confuse ol' Carter even more. He
has his
hands full trying to understand that a signal that doesn't follow the
grey line
shouldn't be called grey line propagation.

What he actually has is sunrise enhancement or what may be an even better
name
for it might be 'terminator enhancement'.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

As long as we're all catching errors ......... should not the title be
160 meter SSB contest??

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"Carter, K8VT" wrote:

dxAce wrote:

You're incorrect. Grey line propagation means just what it says,
propagation ALONG the grey line.

Let me quote Mr. D once again:

Some authors have stated that gray line propagation always occurs
along the terminator. On the *low bands*, there has been only
occasional proof of such propagation. [my emphasis added]

I'd say he is incorrect with his 'only occasional proof' comment. But once
again, if it is not following the grey line then it is not grey line
propagation.

Which virtually disputes what you said above.

He goes on to say:

Rather, propagation is through the dark zone, on a path that (in most
cases) is nearly perpendicular to the terminator.

Which is what I experienced--sunrise here, through the dark zone to
Hawaii, which is roughly perpendicular to Michigan.

Of course, and yet again, NOT grey line.

Gray line propagation on the low bands is a *different affair* from
what is often called gray line propagation on the (higher) HF bands,
where the propagation path does follow the direction of the gray
line. [my emphasis added]

This may be where you are getting confused...

The confusion is all yours!

What you experienced was NOT grey line propagation since Hawaii is
not and was not on the grey line.

Read it again, slowly, (and fight that comprehension problem). On the
*low bands*, -it-doesn't-have-to-be -ON- the gray line.

Then it is NOT grey line propagation. Pretty simple. It's then a darkness path,
or a path enhanced by sunrise (or in other cases by sunset).

Well, now let's have a little "Rocket Science 101"---do I believe a
blow-hard know-it-all (that doesn't) or do I believe the world's
foremost low band propagation expert. (Gee, I hate those hard decisions!)

P.S.

As you're such the expert and have had so much experience on 160 and
spent so much time on the band, please feel free to share *your* 160 DX
contacts with us...and don't forget to tell us the title of *your* book.

Never stated that I had much experience on 160, though I have certainly made
contacts in that band. I'm experienced in low band 2 and 3 MHz SWBC monitoring.
If you wish to talk about 160 meter contacts I suggest as I have before that you
find a suitable amateur radio group!

Oh?... What's that you say?... You can't? Well, sorry then, the smart
money is *still* on Mr. D.

(Damn, boy...you really *do* like that dust!)

Once again, if the propagation does not occur ALONG the grey line then it is
NOT grey line propagation. To call it that as you have and as Mr. Devoldere
seems to indicate is simply not precise, correct, or factual.

Get a grip, and try to understand why it's known as grey LINE propagation and
not simply 'grey spot' or 'grey time' propagation.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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"Carter, K8VT" wrote:

As you're such the expert and have had so much experience on 160 and
spent so much time on the band, please feel free to share *your* 160 DX
contacts with us...and don't forget to tell us the title of *your* book.

Since this is a 'shortwave' oriented newsgroup and not an amateur one, perhaps
you'll share your SWBC listening/dx'ing experiences and loggings with us.

SWBC countries heard, SWBC countries QSL'd, etc.

The title of my book? It's called 'Tards Suck, and So Do Trolls'.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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In article ,
"SeeingEyeD0g" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote

At what time would both Hawaii and Michigan be on the grey line?

During the next pole shift!


A shift of the "magnetic" pole, which is happening constantly, would have
zero impact on earth's sunrise/sunset times on any given point of the earth.
The earth would have to physically shift its "axis of rotation" away from
the North star to create a "gray line" that runs through Hawaii and the
mainland. The magnetic pole would follow it.

I don't mean magnetic, I mean geographic where the earth flips over on
it's axis and I'm joking.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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Telamon wrote:

I don't mean magnetic, I mean geographic where the earth flips over on
it's axis and I'm joking.


It's happened before. They can tell by the magnetic orientation of
particles in lake bottoms.. If I remember correctly, some lake in Africa
had evidence of a half dozen magnetic pole changes.

Either the core turns, or the shell turns around the core. No one knows
why. It may be precession gone rampant, a huge passing comet or some
other body or something entirely different.

Ancient texts mention the Sun rising from the wrong direction. There may
be truth in that.


Core change, versus crust change, is discussed he

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=36110



mike

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In article Y9tMf.5444$Cp4.1640@edtnps90, m II wrote:

Telamon wrote:

I don't mean magnetic, I mean geographic where the earth flips over on
it's axis and I'm joking.


It's happened before. They can tell by the magnetic orientation of
particles in lake bottoms.. If I remember correctly, some lake in Africa
had evidence of a half dozen magnetic pole changes.

Either the core turns, or the shell turns around the core. No one knows
why. It may be precession gone rampant, a huge passing comet or some
other body or something entirely different.

Ancient texts mention the Sun rising from the wrong direction. There may
be truth in that.


Core change, versus crust change, is discussed he

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=36110

I am aware of the magnetic pole reversals.

The geographic pole reversal would cause other tremendous earth
environmental changes on a scale that I expect people and most life
would not survive it.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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dxAce wrote:



If you wish to talk about 160 meter contacts I suggest as I have before that you
find a suitable amateur radio group!

....and I suggest you re-direct your thinly veiled complaint to the
person who wrote the *original* post about a 160 meter amateur radio
contest; I was just responding to his original post.

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dxAce wrote:

Never stated that I had much experience on 160,...

....so maybe that means you shouldn't try and pass yourself off as an
expert then.

To call it that as you have and as Mr. Devoldere seems to indicate is
simply not precise, correct, or factual.

Well, the preeminent Mr. Devoldere *does* have a *lot* of 160
experience, being one of the top two 160 guys in the world.
Additionally, he is a renowned low band author and is recognized as
the top low band propagation authority in the world. You, on the other
hand, have no actual credentials or acceptance by others as a world
class expert like Mr. Devoldere.

He *is* the world's recognized low band propagation expert.

You aint.

Quite delusional of you, you know...but please feel free to continue
your quest to become a Legend in Your Own Mind...(and it does sorta tie
in with your egotistical self-appointment as an "ace")

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"Carter, K8VT" wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Never stated that I had much experience on 160,...

...so maybe that means you shouldn't try and pass yourself off as an
expert then.

To call it that as you have and as Mr. Devoldere seems to indicate is
simply not precise, correct, or factual.

Well, the preeminent Mr. Devoldere *does* have a *lot* of 160
experience, being one of the top two 160 guys in the world.
Additionally, he is a renowned low band author and is recognized as
the top low band propagation authority in the world. You, on the other
hand, have no actual credentials or acceptance by others as a world
class expert like Mr. Devoldere.

He *is* the world's recognized low band propagation expert.

You aint.

Never said I was, but once again, if it's NOT propagation ALONG the grey line
then it is not grey line propagation.

I suggest you take the matter up with Mr. Devoldere.


Quite delusional of you, you know...but please feel free to continue
your quest to become a Legend in Your Own Mind...(and it does sorta tie
in with your egotistical self-appointment as an "ace")

That's all very nice.

Since this is a 'shortwave' oriented newsgroup and not an amateur one, perhaps
you'll share your SWBC listening/dx'ing experiences and loggings with us.

SWBC countries heard, SWBC countries QSL'd, etc.

Looking forward to seeing your 'expert' input.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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dxAce wrote:

"Carter, K8VT" wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Never stated that I had much experience on 160,...
...so maybe that means you shouldn't try and pass yourself off as an
expert then.

To call it that as you have and as Mr. Devoldere seems to indicate is
simply not precise, correct, or factual.
Well, the preeminent Mr. Devoldere *does* have a *lot* of 160
experience, being one of the top two 160 guys in the world.
Additionally, he is a renowned low band author and is recognized as
the top low band propagation authority in the world. You, on the other
hand, have no actual credentials or acceptance by others as a world
class expert like Mr. Devoldere.

He *is* the world's recognized low band propagation expert.

You aint.



Never said I was, but once again, if it's NOT propagation ALONG the grey line
then it is not grey line propagation.

I suggest you take the matter up with Mr. Devoldere.

*I* believe him--*you* are the one that doesn't. Therefore, logic would
dictate that *you* take it up with him.

Since this is a 'shortwave' oriented newsgroup and not an amateur one, perhaps
you'll share your SWBC listening/dx'ing experiences and loggings with us.

1) Again, I did not place the *original* post, just responded to and
supported *his* comments about interesting sunrise propagation during a
*ham* contest. I yet again suggest you take up your thinly veiled
complaint with the person who originally posted about the '180 meter'
amateur radio contest.

2) Last time I looked, amateur radio (at least HF) *IS* 'shortwave
oriented'.

3) As pointed out previously, whether it's 'one-way' or 'two-way', DX is
still DX.

4) Finally, I seem to recall *you* originating *numerous* posts
regarding the 3Y0X AMATEUR RADIO dx'pedition.

If I didn't know any better, it would seem that you are implying it's OK
for *you* to post topics with an amateur radio slant but that no one
else can, even if only in response to someone else's post. Seems a bit
hypocritical of you, don't you think? (just politely asking...)

Looking forward to seeing your 'expert' input.

Well, your wires are a bit crossed--I said consistently that *Devoldere*
was the low band propagation expert, not me (*or* you). I never claimed
to be an expert on propagation or otherwise, unlike some 'aces' on this NG.

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"Carter, K8VT" wrote:

4) Finally, I seem to recall *you* originating *numerous* posts
regarding the 3Y0X AMATEUR RADIO dx'pedition.

Indeed! From a LISTENING perspective, 'tard boy.

Now try and get your panties out of a knot and always remember: if it's NOT
propagation ALONG the grey line then it is not grey line propagation.

dxAce
Michigan
USA