balun spec depending on coax impedance
 

On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:15:17 -0500, PJ Hoban
wrote:



I use an MFJ-986 tuner. Overkill for sure on a reciever, but you can
adjust the cap and inductor to "peak" any signal on any frequency (HF).
Easily possible to get 2 or 3 S units improvement. My current antenna
is 182 foot dipole, fed with 450 ohm ladderline. A 4:1 balun is in the
tuner.
I agree with Bob, a variable tuner will give greater results than just
picking one particular frequency and balun.

PJ in NJ

Once you're above the AGC threshold ''S'' units don't matter. Signal
to noise is where it's at (bottles and cans, clap your hands).

balun spec depending on coax impedance
 

On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:15:17 -0500, PJ Hoban
wrote:

Bob Miller wrote:
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:00:41 GMT, David wrote:


On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:39:00 GMT, Bob Miller
wrote:


On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 00:28:43 GMT, Telamon
wrote:


I guess I'm missing something here. If the impedance of a 1/2 wave
dipole at its resonant frequency is about 72 ohms, and at twice that
frequency is about 5000 ohms, how is any single balun going to work
for a multi-frequency listening or transmitting setup? How does the
popular 9-1 balun used by so many swl-ers work for multi frequency
listening? Would it be to simply get the impedance within yelling
distance of the receiver input, or is it really needed at all, given
the pretty good sensitivity of most modern receivers?


Who uses 1/2 wave dipoles for receive only?

9:1 baluns are for random wire monopoles.

The purpose of the dingus is to more properly mate the random wire
with the shielded transmission line. It keeps noise pickup down and
bleeds static electricity away from the receiver.


Thanks for clarifying, but the question remains the same. Why would a
random length wire monopole at assorted listening frequencies always
be at nine times the impedance of the coax feed? If it is not, why the
fixed 9 to 1 ratio of the balun? Would not a variable device, such as
an L-circuit antenna tuner work better?

bob
k5qwg

I use an MFJ-986 tuner. Overkill for sure on a reciever, but you can
adjust the cap and inductor to "peak" any signal on any frequency (HF).
Easily possible to get 2 or 3 S units improvement. My current antenna
is 182 foot dipole, fed with 450 ohm ladderline. A 4:1 balun is in the
tuner.
I agree with Bob, a variable tuner will give greater results than just
picking one particular frequency and balun.

PJ in NJ

I have the same 989 tuner with a ladderline fed dipole for 80-10
meters; also, a smaller Heathkit tuner for an end-fed wire on 20
meters. Certainly, they can make a difference in how loud a signal is,
but as others have mentioned, you do have to twist a few knobs. I
don't mind, but I can see how some might.

(I also like a manual shift car; automatics are for wuss's )

bob
k5qwg

balun spec depending on coax impedance
 

PJH & BM

Both of you guys are so, So. SO ! Technically Correct
the Variable Device in the Circuit between the Antenna
and the Receiver will in-fact provide the superior result.

However, to the average of Shortwave Listener (SWL)
the 9:1 Matching Transformer is both the 'simple' and
the 'practical' Answer {Install-It--and-Forget-It} to the
majority of their Radio and Antenna Reception problems.

just keeping it -simple and practicle - iane ~ RHF

balun spec depending on coax impedance
 

On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 03:36:00 GMT, Bob Miller
wrote:



(I also like a manual shift car; automatics are for wuss's )

Until you spend a whole weekend changing out a clutch plate...