IBOC at night (WABC)
 

WABC 770 NYC seems to be running IBOC at night (now 4:30am EDT),
wiping out WJR 760 Detroit listening in Central Ohio, which is
a pretty hefty signal to be wiping out.

--
Ron Hardin


On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

Ron Hardin wrote:

WABC 770 NYC seems to be running IBOC at night (now 4:30am EDT),
wiping out WJR 760 Detroit listening in Central Ohio, which is
a pretty hefty signal to be wiping out.

I just checked at 4:50am EDT and couldn't hear any IBOC. I'd like WBBM 780
Chicago to switch theirs on once at night to see how that would sound here. If
it's anything like it is in the daytime it'll make a mess.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

Ron Hardin wrote:
WABC 770 NYC seems to be running IBOC at night (now 4:30am EDT),
wiping out WJR 760 Detroit listening in Central Ohio, which is
a pretty hefty signal to be wiping out.

--
Ron Hardin


On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

The FCC has not authorized nighttime IBOC - IBOC is in a state of great
turmoil, and is not going to happend, despite what some idiots say:

http://worldsupercaster.blogspot.com/

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

Ron Hardin wrote:
WABC 770 NYC seems to be running IBOC at night (now 4:30am EDT),
wiping out WJR 760 Detroit listening in Central Ohio, which is
a pretty hefty signal to be wiping out.

--
Ron Hardin


On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

And, to add from the same link:

"As much as I'd like to hear Georgetown basketball games in this
clarity next year, however, I probably won't; FCC regulations prohibit
AM HD broadcasts after dark, lest they interfere with the reception of
distant AM signals."

I rest my case !!!

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

Ron Hardin wrote:
WABC 770 NYC seems to be running IBOC at night (now 4:30am EDT),
wiping out WJR 760 Detroit listening in Central Ohio, which is
a pretty hefty signal to be wiping out.

--
Ron Hardin


On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

IBOC Myths and Facts:

http://www.qsl.net/n0uih/IBOCMythsandFacts/

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in message
oups.com...

Ron Hardin wrote:
WABC 770 NYC seems to be running IBOC at night (now 4:30am EDT),
wiping out WJR 760 Detroit listening in Central Ohio, which is
a pretty hefty signal to be wiping out.

--
Ron Hardin


On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

The FCC has not authorized nighttime IBOC - IBOC is in a state of great
turmoil, and is not going to happend, despite what some idiots say:

There are over 1000 HD stations on the air. There are commitments for
several thousand more. It already happened.

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in message
oups.com...

Ron Hardin wrote:
WABC 770 NYC seems to be running IBOC at night (now 4:30am EDT),
wiping out WJR 760 Detroit listening in Central Ohio, which is
a pretty hefty signal to be wiping out.

--
Ron Hardin


On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

And, to add from the same link:

"As much as I'd like to hear Georgetown basketball games in this
clarity next year, however, I probably won't; FCC regulations prohibit
AM HD broadcasts after dark, lest they interfere with the reception of
distant AM signals."

FCC regulations permit HD from 6 AM or Sunrise, whichever is earlier to 6 PM
or sunset, whichever is later. There is no specific prohibition for the rest
of the night hours, because that has not been decided on yet. There is a
current LIMITATION, not a specific prohibition.

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

"Ron Hardin" wrote in message
...
WABC 770 NYC seems to be running IBOC at night (now 4:30am EDT),
wiping out WJR 760 Detroit listening in Central Ohio, which is
a pretty hefty signal to be wiping out.

HD is not yet authorized for night operation, although 4:30 AM falls in the
experimental period, so they could be testing.

NYC IBOC situation (was IBOC at night (WABC))
 

David Eduardo wrote:

HD is not yet authorized for night operation, although 4:30 AM falls in the
experimental period, so they could be testing.

WABC-77 AM (along with WOR-710 and WFAN-66 AM) shuts down the IBOC down
for the night.

WCBS-88 AM, however is running it 24/7. I guess they're experimenting
interference with WLS-89 AM,Chicago?

WNYC-82 AM was running IBOC day and night for the past month (10,000
watts day, 1000 watts night). The exciter has been off since this past
Friday night, however. As of this morning, it was still shut off.

WADO-1280 AM's exciter has also been off over the weekend. I don't
know what happened this morning, though. Didn't tune in.

So I don't know what's been happening...aside from LOTS of hash in the
daytime.
My Tivoli-Model 1 is now useless on AM in the daytime. Go figure.

I'm still waiting for WINS-1010, WEPN-1050 and WBBR-1130 to go
IBOC...maybe in a few months time? Ditto the regionals (WPAT-AM 93,
WZRC-1480, etc.), although those were playing with IBOC back in 2003
and then shut it off, never to turn it back on.

Salem Broadcasting (WMCA-57 and WWDJ-97 AM) are holding off on IBOC for
now....

--
Stephanie Weil
New York City, NY

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in message
oups.com...

Ron Hardin wrote:
WABC 770 NYC seems to be running IBOC at night (now 4:30am EDT),
wiping out WJR 760 Detroit listening in Central Ohio, which is
a pretty hefty signal to be wiping out.

--
Ron Hardin


On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

The FCC has not authorized nighttime IBOC - IBOC is in a state of great
turmoil, and is not going to happend, despite what some idiots say:

There are over 1000 HD stations on the air. There are commitments for
several thousand more. It already happened.

There are FAR fewer HD/IBOC stations on the air:

http://topazdesigns.com/iboc/station-list.html

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in message
oups.com...

Ron Hardin wrote:
WABC 770 NYC seems to be running IBOC at night (now 4:30am EDT),
wiping out WJR 760 Detroit listening in Central Ohio, which is
a pretty hefty signal to be wiping out.

--
Ron Hardin


On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

And, to add from the same link:

"As much as I'd like to hear Georgetown basketball games in this
clarity next year, however, I probably won't; FCC regulations prohibit
AM HD broadcasts after dark, lest they interfere with the reception of
distant AM signals."

FCC regulations permit HD from 6 AM or Sunrise, whichever is earlier to 6 PM
or sunset, whichever is later. There is no specific prohibition for the rest
of the night hours, because that has not been decided on yet. There is a
current LIMITATION, not a specific prohibition.

Ah, semantics !

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in message
oups.com...

There are over 1000 HD stations on the air. There are commitments for
several thousand more. It already happened.

We shall see - many experts disagree with you.

Like any change, there will be some who disagree. They are very few in
number.

There is no
interest/demand for HD/IBOC radio, from the general public.

Of course there isn't. The poromotion of HD on a massive scale just began
and the 2.0 design spec receivers have not arrived at retail yet.

Keep in mind that in the first 3 years of FM stereo, only about 100 stations
converted. It took FM as a band another 8 to 10 years to become economically
viable after stereo was introduced, and much had to do with government
"forced" regulation. It took 6 years for portable CD players to drop below
$200... and that is about $300 in today's dollars.

Actually,
many stations have turned off their HD/IBOC equipment, due to listener
complaints and/or interference to other stations !


Name me 10 who have. And that would be 10 out of over 1000 HD stations on
the air, and nearly 2000 licensed by iBiquity.

Note: in several cases, HD has not worked with highly directional AMs with
high Q phasers and old transmission equipment. That is a management problem,
not an HD problem.

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_! wrote:

many stations have turned off their HD/IBOC equipment, due to listener
complaints and/or interference to other stations !

Back in 2003, after WOR started IBOC transmissions, two other stations
owned by MRBI (Multicultural Radio Broadcasting) joined the fray.

WPAT-AM 93 fired up IBOC for a bit and then WZRC-1480 did.

The exciters were turned off shortly thereafter. Haven't been turned
on since. Why this is, I don't know. Maybe there are still bugs to be
worked out in the transmitter plants at these two stations?

--
Steph

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in message
oups.com...

There are over 1000 HD stations on the air. There are commitments for
several thousand more. It already happened.

We shall see - many experts disagree with you.

Like any change, there will be some who disagree. They are very few in
number.

There is no
interest/demand for HD/IBOC radio, from the general public.

Of course there isn't. The poromotion of HD on a massive scale just began
and the 2.0 design spec receivers have not arrived at retail yet.

Keep in mind that in the first 3 years of FM stereo, only about 100 stations
converted. It took FM as a band another 8 to 10 years to become economically
viable after stereo was introduced, and much had to do with government
"forced" regulation. It took 6 years for portable CD players to drop below
$200... and that is about $300 in today's dollars.

Actually,
many stations have turned off their HD/IBOC equipment, due to listener
complaints and/or interference to other stations !


Name me 10 who have. And that would be 10 out of over 1000 HD stations on
the air, and nearly 2000 licensed by iBiquity.

Note: in several cases, HD has not worked with highly directional AMs with
high Q phasers and old transmission equipment. That is a management problem,
not an HD problem.

Here are the ten and your "thousand" on-air is B.S:

http://topazdesigns.com/iboc/station-list.html

I wouldn't expect anything less, from someone who markets sleazy IBOC.
IBOC will die -
there are too many technical problems:

http://www.wbdhradio.com/html/say_no_to_iboc.html

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in message
oups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:

Name me 10 who have. And that would be 10 out of over 1000 HD stations on
the air, and nearly 2000 licensed by iBiquity.

Note: in several cases, HD has not worked with highly directional AMs
with
high Q phasers and old transmission equipment. That is a management
problem,
not an HD problem.

Here are the ten and your "thousand" on-air is B.S:

http://topazdesigns.com/iboc/station-list.html

That list is woefully out of date, and does not include FMs. In fact, more
than half the AM stations I work with are that are HD operations are
missing...

It is even missing important HD stations like WJR and KGO which are 50 kw
clear channel operations.

I wouldn't expect anything less, from someone who markets sleazy IBOC.
IBOC will die -

I do not market HD. I use it.

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in message
oups.com...

You could have fooled me ! There is no interest for HD/IBOC - HD/IBOC
will die !

You have said that same cut-and-paste statement bout 25 times now. Add
something useful, like Stephanie or Brenda, or shut up.

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in message
oups.com...

You could have fooled me ! There is no interest for HD/IBOC - HD/IBOC
will die !

You have said that same cut-and-paste statement bout 25 times now. Add
something useful, like Stephanie or Brenda, or shut up.


You could have fooled me ! There is no interest for HD/IBOC - HD/IBOC
will die !

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in message
oups.com...

You could have fooled me ! There is no interest for HD/IBOC - HD/IBOC
will die !

You have said that same cut-and-paste statement bout 25 times now. Add
something useful, like Stephanie or Brenda, or shut up.


IBOC AM Broadcasting Is a Complete Failure!

http://www.wbdhradio.com/html/say_no_to_iboc.html

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in message
ups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:
"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in
message
oups.com...

You could have fooled me ! There is no interest for HD/IBOC - HD/IBOC
will die !

You have said that same cut-and-paste statement bout 25 times now. Add
something useful, like Stephanie or Brenda, or shut up.


You could have fooled me ! There is no interest for HD/IBOC - HD/IBOC
will die !

There are nearly 2,000 stations with HD licenses, and over 1000 on the air.
Tell me how that is a lack of interest.

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in message
ups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:
"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in
message
oups.com...

You could have fooled me ! There is no interest for HD/IBOC - HD/IBOC
will die !

You have said that same cut-and-paste statement bout 25 times now. Add
something useful, like Stephanie or Brenda, or shut up.


You could have fooled me ! There is no interest for HD/IBOC - HD/IBOC
will die !

There are nearly 2,000 stations with HD licenses, and over 1000 on the air.
Tell me how that is a lack of interest.

What a joke - that doesn't mean **** ! Do you really think consumers
are going to pay for
digital radio and a fee to sign up/listen ! Satellite radio is already
deeply in debt, because
of that same reason ! What a ****ing joke you are ! Consumers have no
interest in purchasing digital radios to listen to AM/FM !

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

David Eduardo wrote:

Of course there isn't. The poromotion of HD on a massive scale just began
and the 2.0 design spec receivers have not arrived at retail yet.





I'm beginning to hear promotion of HD, here, but little of it on AM.
Virtually all on FM. This despite the AM band, at least where I'm
located, crippled with IBOC hash, and with the exception of the local in
Waukegan, and the blowtorches using IBOC, not much of the band is usable.

Which raises questions about why, if HD is going to be the saviour of
the AM band, there hasn't been as much promotion of HD on the low band
as there has been on FM.

Although, the strategy of trashing the band to analog users, does, in
a Microsoft kind of way, push listeners of AM only available programming
into adopting HD just to escape the hash and hiss. All of it goes away
in the digital mode.

And make no mistake, there's not a radio available to me (and I have
hundreds) that doesn't nicely produce an IBOC hiss while listening to
analog audio of IBOC equipped stations.

"The Din of Ibiquity," indeed.


Two additional questions: if 2.0 spec receivers are on their way to
retail, how will we know them from the 1.x spec receivers, since
retailers are going to be disinclined to identify obsoleted inventory
themselves.

and:

What, specifically, are the differences, improvements, and
advantages of 2.0 over the previous generation of HD radios?



p

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 15:10:33 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:




Keep in mind that in the first 3 years of FM stereo, only about 100 stations
converted. It took FM as a band another 8 to 10 years to become economically
viable after stereo was introduced, and much had to do with government
"forced" regulation. It took 6 years for portable CD players to drop below
$200... and that is about $300 in today's dollars.

FM took off when the hippies took over.

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in message
ups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:
"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in
message
oups.com...

You could have fooled me ! There is no interest for HD/IBOC - HD/IBOC
will die !

You have said that same cut-and-paste statement bout 25 times now. Add
something useful, like Stephanie or Brenda, or shut up.


You could have fooled me ! There is no interest for HD/IBOC - HD/IBOC
will die !

There are nearly 2,000 stations with HD licenses, and over 1000 on the air.
Tell me how that is a lack of interest.

You will see, more and more stations turning off their HD/IBOC. There
is no market for HD/IBOC AM/FM, so why don't you go buy stock in
iBiquity and watch your portfolio tank !

NYC IBOC situation (was IBOC at night (WABC))
 

On 5 Jul 2006 07:38:19 -0700, "Stephanie Weil"
wrote:


My Tivoli-Model 1 is now useless on AM in the daytime. Go figure.

Lovely. All digital radio is a step toward more complete
government/corporate control.

Ask Homey.

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

"SWL_is_for_losers_!" wrote in message
oups.com...

There are nearly 2,000 stations with HD licenses, and over 1000 on the
air.
Tell me how that is a lack of interest.

What a joke - that doesn't mean **** ! Do you really think consumers
are going to pay for
digital radio and a fee to sign up/listen !

There is no fee for HD radio, nor is there for the HD-2 expansion channels.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Satellite radio is already
deeply in debt, because
of that same reason !

No, it is not, as I explained before. Satellite has used equity, not debt,
financing.

What a ****ing joke you are ! Consumers have no
interest in purchasing digital radios to listen to AM/FM !

And you know this how?

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

"David" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 15:10:33 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:




Keep in mind that in the first 3 years of FM stereo, only about 100
stations
converted. It took FM as a band another 8 to 10 years to become
economically
viable after stereo was introduced, and much had to do with government
"forced" regulation. It took 6 years for portable CD players to drop below
$200... and that is about $300 in today's dollars.

FM took off when the hippies took over.

FM took off when the FCC mandated an end to simulcasting. The biggest gain
in FM was from Beautiful Music, not progressive rock.

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

"SWL_is_for_losers_!" wrote in message
oups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:
"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in
message
ups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:
"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in
message
oups.com...

You could have fooled me ! There is no interest for HD/IBOC -
HD/IBOC
will die !

You have said that same cut-and-paste statement bout 25 times now. Add
something useful, like Stephanie or Brenda, or shut up.


You could have fooled me ! There is no interest for HD/IBOC - HD/IBOC
will die !

There are nearly 2,000 stations with HD licenses, and over 1000 on the
air.
Tell me how that is a lack of interest.

You will see, more and more stations turning off their HD/IBOC.

Threre is a net gain of 50 to 100 stations a month. We should be at 2000 on
air by Summer of 2007.

There
is no market for HD/IBOC AM/FM, so why don't you go buy stock in
iBiquity and watch your portfolio tank !

iBiquity is privately held, and owned significantly by the developers and by
major broadcast companies.

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...

Which raises questions about why, if HD is going to be the saviour of
the AM band, there hasn't been as much promotion of HD on the low band as
there has been on FM.

The problem is that, with or without HD, there are only a couple of viable
AMs per market, if you average the top 100 or so markets. Some have none,
like DC. To the non-viable stations, HD is probably of no interest...
brokerd shows, ethnic fringes and religion are the alternatives.

Two additional questions: if 2.0 spec receivers are on their way to
retail, how will we know them from the 1.x spec receivers, since retailers
are going to be disinclined to identify obsoleted inventory themselves.

There are only a couple of 1.0 radios out there... the infamous "disco
lights" car radio and the BA and one or two others. They will probably be
retired... I understand the BA was redesigned, using the new spec.

What, specifically, are the differences, improvements, and advantages
of 2.0 over the previous generation of HD radios?

Lowered manufacturing cost is the main one, but there are some features
related to the HD 2 selection and the data screen and sensitivity to the
digital signal, as well as improvements to the basic algorithm on the
receiver side.

There is still not an efficient chipset that will allow portable devices
that run on batteries. That is a major concern, but being worked on.

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

David Frackelton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo', obviously on some kind of paid
leave to shill for HD/IBOC wrote:

"SWL_is_for_losers_!" wrote in message
oups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:
"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in
message
ups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:
"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in
message
oups.com...

You could have fooled me ! There is no interest for HD/IBOC -
HD/IBOC
will die !

You have said that same cut-and-paste statement bout 25 times now. Add
something useful, like Stephanie or Brenda, or shut up.


You could have fooled me ! There is no interest for HD/IBOC - HD/IBOC
will die !

There are nearly 2,000 stations with HD licenses, and over 1000 on the
air.
Tell me how that is a lack of interest.

You will see, more and more stations turning off their HD/IBOC.

Threre is a net gain of 50 to 100 stations a month. We should be at 2000 on
air by Summer of 2007.

There
is no market for HD/IBOC AM/FM, so why don't you go buy stock in
iBiquity and watch your portfolio tank !

iBiquity is privately held, and owned significantly by the developers and by
major broadcast companies.

Like Univision! The company you're here shilling for!

LMFAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
Which raises questions about why, if HD is going to be the saviour of
the AM band, there hasn't been as much promotion of HD on the low band as
there has been on FM.

The problem is that, with or without HD, there are only a couple of viable
AMs per market, if you average the top 100 or so markets. Some have none,
like DC. To the non-viable stations, HD is probably of no interest...
brokerd shows, ethnic fringes and religion are the alternatives.




Here, about halfway between Milwaukee and Chicago, there are a
number of successful, if not thriving, AM's. Of them, most are using HD,
judging by the hash. And yet, I've only heard WGN mention it. WGN being
the latecomer.

If there is going to be a push for HD and a significant investment on
the part of each station, why isn't it being promoted as heavily on
those AM stations using it, as it is on the FMs?

That was a good deal of the problem with AM stereo. That, and the
lack of a standard for AM stereo implementation. If it's on the air
creating trash, why isn't it being promoted for it's advantages to
encourage listeners to migrate from the analogue side where the trash is
an issue, to the digital side where it's not, and the claimed benefits
of AM HD are demonstrable?

Spend that kind of money and take that kind of risk, it makes no
sense not to motivate listeners to take advantage of what you're doing.




Two additional questions: if 2.0 spec receivers are on their way to
retail, how will we know them from the 1.x spec receivers, since retailers
are going to be disinclined to identify obsoleted inventory themselves.

There are only a couple of 1.0 radios out there... the infamous "disco
lights" car radio and the BA and one or two others. They will probably be
retired... I understand the BA was redesigned, using the new spec.
What, specifically, are the differences, improvements, and advantages
of 2.0 over the previous generation of HD radios?

Lowered manufacturing cost is the main one, but there are some features
related to the HD 2 selection and the data screen and sensitivity to the
digital signal, as well as improvements to the basic algorithm on the
receiver side.

There is still not an efficient chipset that will allow portable devices
that run on batteries. That is a major concern, but being worked on.


One would think that if DELPHI and JVC can put together a portable
satellite receiver, with decent battery life, they could do the same
with IBOC equipped receivers in a similar sized package.


Make no mistake, portable satellite receivers get good and warm,
indicating some serious current draw, not unlike the first and second
generations of digital cameras, but they do work, and battery life is
pretty solid.

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:

If there is going to be a push for HD and a significant investment on
the part of each station, why isn't it being promoted as heavily on those
AM stations using it, as it is on the FMs?

That is a good question. I think that the on air part is just comeing
together now, and many stations may be waiting for receivers to be available
to do the promotion. Most promotion at present is for FM based on the HD 2
channels.

One would think that if DELPHI and JVC can put together a portable
satellite receiver, with decent battery life, they could do the same with
IBOC equipped receivers in a similar sized package.

I don't intimately know the development process. A few months ago, I talked
to Bob Struble (CEO of iBiquity) at a conference for our PDs and Managers
and asked him about a more efficient chipset. I got some discussion of the
power requirements for the DAC and an indication that development, together
with the mostly Chinese manufacturers, was going on. I was not given a
timetable.


Make no mistake, portable satellite receivers get good and warm,
indicating some serious current draw, not unlike the first and second
generations of digital cameras, but they do work, and battery life is
pretty solid.

Right now, a receiver with 4 AA batteries would only last about 4 to 6
hours.

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:

If there is going to be a push for HD and a significant investment on
the part of each station, why isn't it being promoted as heavily on those
AM stations using it, as it is on the FMs?

That is a good question. I think that the on air part is just comeing
together now, and many stations may be waiting for receivers to be available
to do the promotion. Most promotion at present is for FM based on the HD 2
channels.
One would think that if DELPHI and JVC can put together a portable
satellite receiver, with decent battery life, they could do the same with
IBOC equipped receivers in a similar sized package.

I don't intimately know the development process. A few months ago, I talked
to Bob Struble (CEO of iBiquity) at a conference for our PDs and Managers
and asked him about a more efficient chipset. I got some discussion of the
power requirements for the DAC and an indication that development, together
with the mostly Chinese manufacturers, was going on. I was not given a
timetable.

Make no mistake, portable satellite receivers get good and warm,
indicating some serious current draw, not unlike the first and second
generations of digital cameras, but they do work, and battery life is
pretty solid.

Right now, a receiver with 4 AA batteries would only last about 4 to 6
hours.



I get not quite twice that with a rechargeable Li Ion battery on my
Delphi. Clearly, alkalines won't be quite the way to go, yet.

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:14:24 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:



FM took off when the FCC mandated an end to simulcasting. The biggest gain
in FM was from Beautiful Music, not progressive rock.


Right. Montovani rules!

NYC IBOC situation (was IBOC at night (WABC))
 

DaviD - The Digital Hash from AM/MW HD-IBOC Radio :
Will be used to hide the Noise of the Black Helicopters
as they approach your home to take you away.
http://www.jacquedee63.com/takemeaway.html

Watch-Out-DaviD - They're Coming to Take You Away Ha-Haaa!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They%27...way_Ha-Haaa%21


Yes DaviD - The Men-in-Black are Real - Just Look in the Mirror !
http://it.stlawu.edu/~x0tsing/takeaway.ra

- thus sayeth the 'maharishi homey' ~ RHF

NYC IBOC situation (was IBOC at night (WABC))
 

Thanks all very good information.

On 5 Jul 2006 07:38:19 -0700, "Stephanie Weil"
wrote:


David Eduardo wrote:

HD is not yet authorized for night operation, although 4:30 AM falls in the
experimental period, so they could be testing.

WABC-77 AM (along with WOR-710 and WFAN-66 AM) shuts down the IBOC down
for the night.

WCBS-88 AM, however is running it 24/7. I guess they're experimenting
interference with WLS-89 AM,Chicago?

WNYC-82 AM was running IBOC day and night for the past month (10,000
watts day, 1000 watts night). The exciter has been off since this past
Friday night, however. As of this morning, it was still shut off.

WADO-1280 AM's exciter has also been off over the weekend. I don't
know what happened this morning, though. Didn't tune in.

So I don't know what's been happening...aside from LOTS of hash in the
daytime.
My Tivoli-Model 1 is now useless on AM in the daytime. Go figure.

I'm still waiting for WINS-1010, WEPN-1050 and WBBR-1130 to go
IBOC...maybe in a few months time? Ditto the regionals (WPAT-AM 93,
WZRC-1480, etc.), although those were playing with IBOC back in 2003
and then shut it off, never to turn it back on.

Salem Broadcasting (WMCA-57 and WWDJ-97 AM) are holding off on IBOC for
now....
"The only way to have a friend is to be one".
-Ralph Waldo Emerson-

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

Good info.. Thanks

"Ron Hardin" wrote in message
...
WABC 770 NYC seems to be running IBOC at night (now 4:30am EDT),
wiping out WJR 760 Detroit listening in Central Ohio, which is
a pretty hefty signal to be wiping out.

--
Ron Hardin


On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

IBOC at night (WABC)
 

On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:45:15 GMT, Ron Hardin
wrote:

WABC 770 NYC seems to be running IBOC at night (now 4:30am EDT),
wiping out WJR 760 Detroit listening in Central Ohio, which is
a pretty hefty signal to be wiping out.
"The only way to have a friend is to be one".
-Ralph Waldo Emerson-

NYC IBOC situation (was IBOC at night (WABC))
 

HD is not yet authorized for night operation, although 4:30 AM falls in the
experimental period, so they could be testing.

WABC-77 AM (along with WOR-710 and WFAN-66 AM) shuts down the IBOC down
for the night.

WCBS-88 AM, however is running it 24/7. I guess they're experimenting
interference with WLS-89 AM,Chicago?

WNYC-82 AM was running IBOC day and night for the past month (10,000
watts day, 1000 watts night). The exciter has been off since this past
Friday night, however. As of this morning, it was still shut off.

WADO-1280 AM's exciter has also been off over the weekend. I don't
know what happened this morning, though. Didn't tune in.

On a number of occasions, stations have run their IBOC all night. In
most cases this seems to involve major stations operated by major groups
such as Clear Channel. As much as some people may dislike Clear
Channel, they are not known for violating FCC technical regulations. [0]
I suppose in one or two cases there's been a simple mistake or failure
of a timer, but I have to think in most cases these stations have some
kind of temporary authority from the FCC for testing purposes.

(in most cases I've heard of, the IBOC is staying on *all night* -
including between sunset and midnight - not just during the experimental
period when it might arguably be legal without STA)

Salem Broadcasting (WMCA-57 and WWDJ-97 AM) are holding off on IBOC for
now....

Indeed, Salem reportedly *removed* IBOC from WIND-560 Chicago when they
acquired it from a different owner.

--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

[0] some would argue they get the interference-causing technology
declared legal before they try using itgrin, kinda

NYC IBOC situation (was IBOC at night (WABC))
 

On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:11:41 GMT, Doug Smith W9WI
wrote:


On a number of occasions, stations have run their IBOC all night. In
most cases this seems to involve major stations operated by major groups
such as Clear Channel. As much as some people may dislike Clear
Channel, they are not known for violating FCC technical regulations. [0]
I suppose in one or two cases there's been a simple mistake or failure
of a timer, but I have to think in most cases these stations have some
kind of temporary authority from the FCC for testing purposes.

You can do whatever you want between Midnight and 4 AM, as long as you
don't run paid.

NYC IBOC situation (was IBOC at night (WABC))
 

David wrote:
You can do whatever you want between Midnight and 4 AM, as long as you
don't run paid.

And you can't run regularly scheduled programs.

But some of these nighttime IBOC tests are being heard between sunset
and midnight - *before* this "experimental period" kicks in.

--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com