"Juan Skinner" wrote in
ups.com:

The trouble with a code is that it is designed to keep people out. Once
you've learned the 'secret' code, it makes you feel that you have
something that you, and a select group of others can participate in.
Once you're up there, see how quickly you pull the ladder up.
Does a proficiency in CW make for a better operator? Yes, in a way. It
shows a studious interest in the hobby and is a worth achievement but
does it make a more courtious or interesting operator? Certainly not,
and this group is witness to that.
"People who don't use code are lazy", What? Is that the only discipline
available to allow someone to experiment with radio? Absolutely not!
How about learning electronics and building your own equipment? Is that
a lesser or a greater achievement?
How about taking the hobby forward by progressing and leading cutting
edge technologies? It was after all the amateur fraternity who brought
this new fangled SSB phone mode. Were are at the dawn of a new digital
age on all you people can do is look backwards and remain firmly rooted
in the seventeenth century.
Come on, wake up and smell the 21st century.


It's got to be incorporated into the exams then, otherwise hams aren't
going to learn and do it. If ham radio is to modernize hams must be
forced to modernize. CW isn't preventing the modernization of ham radio,
Laziness is.

Look at the no-coders on the repeaters. Many of them have been licensed
for years and they ain't moderizating. They're no better than they were
the day they were first licensed.

The passing score on written exams need to be 85% and double the number of
questions on each test element.

I push for quality hams. If you don't like quality there is CB. Let's
not turn the ham bands into CB

SC

On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:22:49 GMT, Slow Code wrote:

"Juan Skinner" wrote in
oups.com:

The trouble with a code is that it is designed to keep people out. Once
you've learned the 'secret' code, it makes you feel that you have
something that you, and a select group of others can participate in.
Once you're up there, see how quickly you pull the ladder up.
Does a proficiency in CW make for a better operator? Yes, in a way. It
shows a studious interest in the hobby and is a worth achievement but
does it make a more courtious or interesting operator? Certainly not,
and this group is witness to that.
"People who don't use code are lazy", What? Is that the only discipline
available to allow someone to experiment with radio? Absolutely not!
How about learning electronics and building your own equipment? Is that
a lesser or a greater achievement?
How about taking the hobby forward by progressing and leading cutting
edge technologies? It was after all the amateur fraternity who brought
this new fangled SSB phone mode. Were are at the dawn of a new digital
age on all you people can do is look backwards and remain firmly rooted
in the seventeenth century.
Come on, wake up and smell the 21st century.


It's got to be incorporated into the exams then, otherwise hams aren't
going to learn and do it. If ham radio is to modernize hams must be
forced to modernize. CW isn't preventing the modernization of ham radio,
Laziness is.

Look at the no-coders on the repeaters. Many of them have been licensed
for years and they ain't moderizating. They're no better than they were
the day they were first licensed.

The passing score on written exams need to be 85% and double the number of
questions on each test element.

I push for quality hams. If you don't like quality there is CB. Let's
not turn the ham bands into CB

SC



CW is way tough to learn `Slow. . . ANY Idiot who wants to try to
enter the world of HAM will be totally filtered out by that one, huh
SC? It's BUILDING Advanced Systems that's the easy part. That, and
launching new and improved satellites, (Stupid Rocket Science is for
Babies! Right?) That Big ol C.W. requirement will be the solid
bastion against any unwanted foolish sort of person trying to gain
entry to the Wonderful World of HAM, . . . Forever and a day! Ain't
that right, `Good Buddy! . . SC? G'me a big ol' 10/4 there `Slow!

The only thing that CW means is that one knows how to communicate
via radio in the style which is reminisce of old telegraph lines from
the early western era. Nothing more. It's like seeing somebody ride
a hose dressed in a cowboy hat. . . You've GOT to have that damn Hat
in order to ride a horse! Period! In the same way CW is to HAM Radio
nowadays. Pretty stupid, huh?

Hey, I got a good one for you all out there in `Net Land:

Around my place, the HAMs are such a bunch of Butt-Heads that people
wanting to learn how to code, TRAIN BY USING THE CB BANDS!!! You
see, that way they don't get their butt's chewed out by people "Who
Know Better" and are "Professionals in CW", and so they "Quit mucking
up the bandwidth with their stupid banter!"

Around these parts, I have to admit the CB'ers are a whole lot NICER
group of people than the High and Mighty "Generals" and "Extras" ever
thought of being. Just because they can tap out a code on a brass
button with a tin shoe horn! How pathetic can one get! We might as
well bring out some "Musical Spoons" too!

SC, have you looked up the word "Moron" in the dictionary yet? Its
really not what you think you know about it. Honest.

Fred Furlly wrote in message
...
On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:22:49 GMT, Slow Code wrote:

"Juan Skinner" wrote in
roups.com:

The trouble with a code is that it is designed to keep people out. Once
you've learned the 'secret' code, it makes you feel that you have
something that you, and a select group of others can participate in.
Once you're up there, see how quickly you pull the ladder up.
Does a proficiency in CW make for a better operator? Yes, in a way. It
shows a studious interest in the hobby and is a worth achievement but
does it make a more courtious or interesting operator? Certainly not,
and this group is witness to that.
"People who don't use code are lazy", What? Is that the only discipline
available to allow someone to experiment with radio? Absolutely not!
How about learning electronics and building your own equipment? Is that
a lesser or a greater achievement?
How about taking the hobby forward by progressing and leading cutting
edge technologies? It was after all the amateur fraternity who brought
this new fangled SSB phone mode. Were are at the dawn of a new digital
age on all you people can do is look backwards and remain firmly rooted
in the seventeenth century.
Come on, wake up and smell the 21st century.


It's got to be incorporated into the exams then, otherwise hams aren't
going to learn and do it. If ham radio is to modernize hams must be
forced to modernize. CW isn't preventing the modernization of ham radio,
Laziness is.

Look at the no-coders on the repeaters. Many of them have been licensed
for years and they ain't moderizating. They're no better than they were
the day they were first licensed.

The passing score on written exams need to be 85% and double the number of
questions on each test element.

I push for quality hams. If you don't like quality there is CB. Let's
not turn the ham bands into CB

SC



CW is way tough to learn `Slow. . . ANY Idiot who wants to try to
enter the world of HAM will be totally filtered out by that one, huh
SC? It's BUILDING Advanced Systems that's the easy part. That, and
launching new and improved satellites, (Stupid Rocket Science is for
Babies! Right?) That Big ol C.W. requirement will be the solid
bastion against any unwanted foolish sort of person trying to gain
entry to the Wonderful World of HAM, . . . Forever and a day! Ain't
that right, `Good Buddy! . . SC? G'me a big ol' 10/4 there `Slow!

The only thing that CW means is that one knows how to communicate
via radio in the style which is reminisce of old telegraph lines from
the early western era. Nothing more. It's like seeing somebody ride
a hose dressed in a cowboy hat. . . You've GOT to have that damn Hat
in order to ride a horse! Period! In the same way CW is to HAM Radio
nowadays. Pretty stupid, huh?

Hey, I got a good one for you all out there in `Net Land:

Around my place, the HAMs are such a bunch of Butt-Heads that people
wanting to learn how to code, TRAIN BY USING THE CB BANDS!!! You
see, that way they don't get their butt's chewed out by people "Who
Know Better" and are "Professionals in CW", and so they "Quit mucking
up the bandwidth with their stupid banter!"

Around these parts, I have to admit the CB'ers are a whole lot NICER
group of people than the High and Mighty "Generals" and "Extras" ever
thought of being. Just because they can tap out a code on a brass
button with a tin shoe horn! How pathetic can one get! We might as
well bring out some "Musical Spoons" too!

SC, have you looked up the word "Moron" in the dictionary yet? Its
really not what you think you know about it. Honest.

Moron: Anyone who replies to SC.

Slow Idiot:

1) Get a life!
2) Get a news group! (might I suggest rec.radio.amateur.cw? Of course, you
will have to found this new group.)

I am sure there are just thousands waiting in the wings to join a newsgroup
devoted to cw!

JS

"Slow Code" wrote in message
ink.net...
"Juan Skinner" wrote in
ups.com:

The trouble with a code is that it is designed to keep people out. Once
you've learned the 'secret' code, it makes you feel that you have
something that you, and a select group of others can participate in.
Once you're up there, see how quickly you pull the ladder up.
Does a proficiency in CW make for a better operator? Yes, in a way. It
shows a studious interest in the hobby and is a worth achievement but
does it make a more courtious or interesting operator? Certainly not,
and this group is witness to that.
"People who don't use code are lazy", What? Is that the only discipline
available to allow someone to experiment with radio? Absolutely not!
How about learning electronics and building your own equipment? Is that
a lesser or a greater achievement?
How about taking the hobby forward by progressing and leading cutting
edge technologies? It was after all the amateur fraternity who brought
this new fangled SSB phone mode. Were are at the dawn of a new digital
age on all you people can do is look backwards and remain firmly rooted
in the seventeenth century.
Come on, wake up and smell the 21st century.


It's got to be incorporated into the exams then, otherwise hams aren't
going to learn and do it. If ham radio is to modernize hams must be
forced to modernize. CW isn't preventing the modernization of ham radio,
Laziness is.

Look at the no-coders on the repeaters. Many of them have been licensed
for years and they ain't moderizating. They're no better than they were
the day they were first licensed.

The passing score on written exams need to be 85% and double the number of
questions on each test element.

I push for quality hams. If you don't like quality there is CB. Let's
not turn the ham bands into CB

SC

"John Smith" wrote in
:

Slow Idiot:

1) Get a life!
2) Get a news group! (might I suggest rec.radio.amateur.cw? Of course,
you will have to found this new group.)

I am sure there are just thousands waiting in the wings to join a
newsgroup devoted to cw!

JS


ROFL,

I bet it just ****es your lazy ass off you gotta learn something to get on
HF. Be happy, they dumbed things down for ya.

SC

SI (Slow Idiot):

U R an ideal idiot, a pinnacle of an example of an idiot, even
professional idiots worship at your feet...

JS

"Slow Code" wrote in message
ink.net...
"John Smith" wrote in
:

Slow Idiot:

1) Get a life!
2) Get a news group! (might I suggest rec.radio.amateur.cw? Of
course,
you will have to found this new group.)

I am sure there are just thousands waiting in the wings to join a
newsgroup devoted to cw!

JS


ROFL,

I bet it just ****es your lazy ass off you gotta learn something to
get on
HF. Be happy, they dumbed things down for ya.

SC

Slow Idiot:

I am going to do you a BIG favor. You didn't know I was psychic, did
you? Well, I am, let me give you a reading...

You are the kind of guy who impresses young children, old women, and
mentally and technically challenged individuals. You realize that you
have that special autistic ability of being able to rap out, and quite
profusely--probably, those taps in code. You were quick to realize that
individuals with low self esteem, persons of low self-worth and
individuals seeming to lack any skills what-so-ever were VERY impressed
by such an ability--of course these individuals also failed to realize
just how stupid it was to "hero worship" such a trivial ability.

However, for one such as you, un-remarkable in all other ways type of
guy, no great IQ, no other real skills or abilities, a general inability
to get along in the general society, etc... for you, this was a way of
"feeling special." But, it came at a price, it blinded you to how
simple others with real abilities, high IQ's, great skills, good social
abilities, etc. viewed you. You simply shut your ears, your eyes and
your mind to reality; you finally reached a point where you were unable
to care, to see... You came to live in your "special world" where you
are quite special, talented, skilled, etc. You live there now, you
think you enlighten us with your wasted "text verbiage" here, you draw
upon others good will and tolerance, you keep thinking you have a great
message to impart to us. That soon a revelation will strike us and we
will all recognize you for the great man you think you are...

This story goes on and on, indeed, it appears as if it is one of those
special, un-ending story with you painted as lead hero, painted as such
by you, yourself--of course... well, even you can see where I am going
with all of this. And, you know it is true. You know we will be
watching your behavior in sheer unbelief and amazement, you realize you
really do look quite stupid. You realize you have painted yourself into
a corner which you cannot escape. And, it dawns upon you, you have
nothing to lose, all credibility is lost--you may as well continue on
your present course--there is nothing to be lost--it has already been
gone for quite a time... still, your only two choices is facing your
peers disgust, or quitting, and I am betting you just can't quit. I
have never seen an individual like you who was able...

Good luck...

P.S. I am really not psychic--but you already knew that... It is just
that such small intellect as you display is simple to define... but you
knew that--already. You are simply trapped by the particular mental
disorder which plagues you, your world is small and therefore you expect
it to be so for all others. You are now but an actor on a stage--your
part has already been written, you now only perform your part... a
limited performance, a small performance, a vile performance, but
still--it is yours, and it tells a much larger picture about you--how
much better it would be if performed for people who actually cared...

JS


"Slow Code" wrote in message
ink.net...
"John Smith" wrote in
:

Slow Idiot:

1) Get a life!
2) Get a news group! (might I suggest rec.radio.amateur.cw? Of
course,
you will have to found this new group.)

I am sure there are just thousands waiting in the wings to join a
newsgroup devoted to cw!

JS


ROFL,

I bet it just ****es your lazy ass off you gotta learn something to
get on
HF. Be happy, they dumbed things down for ya.

SC

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Slow Idiot:

I am going to do you a BIG favor. You didn't know I was psychic, did
you? Well, I am, let me give you a reading...

You are the kind of guy who impresses young children, old women, and
mentally and technically challenged individuals. You realize that you
have that special autistic ability of being able to rap out, and quite
profusely--probably, those taps in code. You were quick to realize that
individuals with low self esteem, persons of low self-worth and
individuals seeming to lack any skills what-so-ever were VERY impressed
by such an ability--of course these individuals also failed to realize
just how stupid it was to "hero worship" such a trivial ability.

However, for one such as you, un-remarkable in all other ways type of
guy, no great IQ, no other real skills or abilities, a general inability
to get along in the general society, etc... for you, this was a way of
"feeling special." But, it came at a price, it blinded you to how
simple others with real abilities, high IQ's, great skills, good social
abilities, etc. viewed you. You simply shut your ears, your eyes and
your mind to reality; you finally reached a point where you were unable
to care, to see... You came to live in your "special world" where you
are quite special, talented, skilled, etc. You live there now, you
think you enlighten us with your wasted "text verbiage" here, you draw
upon others good will and tolerance, you keep thinking you have a great
message to impart to us. That soon a revelation will strike us and we
will all recognize you for the great man you think you are...

This story goes on and on, indeed, it appears as if it is one of those
special, un-ending story with you painted as lead hero, painted as such
by you, yourself--of course... well, even you can see where I am going
with all of this. And, you know it is true. You know we will be
watching your behavior in sheer unbelief and amazement, you realize you
really do look quite stupid. You realize you have painted yourself into
a corner which you cannot escape. And, it dawns upon you, you have
nothing to lose, all credibility is lost--you may as well continue on
your present course--there is nothing to be lost--it has already been
gone for quite a time... still, your only two choices is facing your
peers disgust, or quitting, and I am betting you just can't quit. I
have never seen an individual like you who was able...

Good luck...

P.S. I am really not psychic--but you already knew that... It is just
that such small intellect as you display is simple to define... but you
knew that--already. You are simply trapped by the particular mental
disorder which plagues you, your world is small and therefore you expect
it to be so for all others. You are now but an actor on a stage--your
part has already been written, you now only perform your part... a
limited performance, a small performance, a vile performance, but
still--it is yours, and it tells a much larger picture about you--how
much better it would be if performed for people who actually cared...

JS



Bingo!!!!!

"U-Know-Who" wrote in
:


"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Slow Idiot:

I am going to do you a BIG favor. You didn't know I was psychic, did
you? Well, I am, let me give you a reading...

You are the kind of guy who impresses young children, old women, and
mentally and technically challenged individuals. You realize that you
have that special autistic ability of being able to rap out, and quite
profusely--probably, those taps in code. You were quick to realize
that individuals with low self esteem, persons of low self-worth and
individuals seeming to lack any skills what-so-ever were VERY impressed
by such an ability--of course these individuals also failed to realize
just how stupid it was to "hero worship" such a trivial ability.

However, for one such as you, un-remarkable in all other ways type of
guy, no great IQ, no other real skills or abilities, a general
inability to get along in the general society, etc... for you, this
was a way of "feeling special." But, it came at a price, it blinded
you to how simple others with real abilities, high IQ's, great skills,
good social abilities, etc. viewed you. You simply shut your ears,
your eyes and your mind to reality; you finally reached a point where
you were unable to care, to see... You came to live in your "special
world" where you are quite special, talented, skilled, etc. You live
there now, you think you enlighten us with your wasted "text verbiage"
here, you draw upon others good will and tolerance, you keep thinking
you have a great message to impart to us. That soon a revelation will
strike us and we will all recognize you for the great man you think you
are...

This story goes on and on, indeed, it appears as if it is one of those
special, un-ending story with you painted as lead hero, painted as such
by you, yourself--of course... well, even you can see where I am going
with all of this. And, you know it is true. You know we will be
watching your behavior in sheer unbelief and amazement, you realize you
really do look quite stupid. You realize you have painted yourself
into a corner which you cannot escape. And, it dawns upon you, you
have nothing to lose, all credibility is lost--you may as well continue
on your present course--there is nothing to be lost--it has already
been gone for quite a time... still, your only two choices is facing
your peers disgust, or quitting, and I am betting you just can't quit.
I have never seen an individual like you who was able...

Good luck...

P.S. I am really not psychic--but you already knew that... It is just
that such small intellect as you display is simple to define... but you
knew that--already. You are simply trapped by the particular mental
disorder which plagues you, your world is small and therefore you
expect it to be so for all others. You are now but an actor on a
stage--your part has already been written, you now only perform your
part... a limited performance, a small performance, a vile
performance, but still--it is yours, and it tells a much larger picture
about you--how much better it would be if performed for people who
actually cared...

JS



Bingo!!!!!


I'm happy you two lazy ass Lids found each other, when ya getting
married?

I suggest you two, plus Markie, Opus and stay out of this thread. It's
only for people like me that want to protect and preserve the quality &
integrity of the amateur radio service. People like you, John Smith,
Opus, Lenny and Markie want to destroy it because you believe people
shouldn't have to learn anything or be good at anything to be a ham radio
operator.

SC

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:18:23 -0800, "John Smith"
spake thusly:

Slow Idiot:

I am going to do you a BIG favor. You didn't know I was psychic, did
you? Well, I am, let me give you a reading...

You are the kind of guy who impresses young children, old women, and
mentally and technically challenged individuals. You realize that you
have that special autistic ability of being able to rap out, and quite
profusely--probably, those taps in code. You were quick to realize that
individuals with low self esteem, persons of low self-worth and
individuals seeming to lack any skills what-so-ever were VERY impressed
by such an ability--of course these individuals also failed to realize
just how stupid it was to "hero worship" such a trivial ability.

However, for one such as you, un-remarkable in all other ways type of
guy, no great IQ, no other real skills or abilities, a general inability
to get along in the general society, etc... for you, this was a way of
"feeling special." But, it came at a price, it blinded you to how
simple others with real abilities, high IQ's, great skills, good social
abilities, etc. viewed you. You simply shut your ears, your eyes and
your mind to reality; you finally reached a point where you were unable
to care, to see... You came to live in your "special world" where you
are quite special, talented, skilled, etc. You live there now, you
think you enlighten us with your wasted "text verbiage" here, you draw
upon others good will and tolerance, you keep thinking you have a great
message to impart to us. That soon a revelation will strike us and we
will all recognize you for the great man you think you are...

This story goes on and on, indeed, it appears as if it is one of those
special, un-ending story with you painted as lead hero, painted as such
by you, yourself--of course... well, even you can see where I am going
with all of this. And, you know it is true. You know we will be
watching your behavior in sheer unbelief and amazement, you realize you
really do look quite stupid. You realize you have painted yourself into
a corner which you cannot escape. And, it dawns upon you, you have
nothing to lose, all credibility is lost--you may as well continue on
your present course--there is nothing to be lost--it has already been
gone for quite a time... still, your only two choices is facing your
peers disgust, or quitting, and I am betting you just can't quit. I
have never seen an individual like you who was able...

Good luck...

P.S. I am really not psychic--but you already knew that... It is just
that such small intellect as you display is simple to define... but you
knew that--already. You are simply trapped by the particular mental
disorder which plagues you, your world is small and therefore you expect
it to be so for all others. You are now but an actor on a stage--your
part has already been written, you now only perform your part... a
limited performance, a small performance, a vile performance, but
still--it is yours, and it tells a much larger picture about you--how
much better it would be if performed for people who actually cared...

It's ironic how he thumps his chest, claiming to be the bearer of all
that is good and true in the ARS yet he directly and blatantly
violates the very standards he champions. For example, the very fact
that he uses completely off-topic newsgroups as his soap box is
exactly the same as operating a radio on completely un-authorized
frequencies and power levels. His mental disorder prevents him from
seeing this.

It's quite sad, really. We should pity him.

--

(Jim, single dad to Lesleigh [Autistic] 04/20/94)

"What, Me Worry?" A. E. Newman

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