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July 5th 03, 02:23 PM

In article ,
(bro) writes:

(5) An unexpired (or expired) FCC-granted Novice Class operator license
grant:
Element 1.

(6) A CSCE: Each element the CSCE indicates the examinee passed within the
previous 365 days.

(7) An unexpired (or expired less than 5 years) FCC-issued commercial
radiotelegraph operator license or permit: Element 1.

(8) An expired FCC-issued Technician Class operator license document
granted
before March 21, 1987: Element 3.

(9) An expired or unexpired FCC-issued Technician Class operator license
document granted before February 14, 1991: Element 1.

(b) No examination credit, except as herein provided, shall be allowed on
the
basis of holding or having held any other license grant or document.

(End of Part 97 quote)

Note that an old expired Tech can be good for Element 3, and an old expired
Novice or Tech can be good for Element 1. But a CSCE more than 365 days old
gives no credit. Only a license can carry element credit beyond 365 days.

It is good "forever" for the purpose of granting the Novice HF
privileges to a Technician.

Yup.

How's that for Uncle Sam logic?

Makes no sense at all.

It gets worse - consider these scenarios:

Expired Novice or Tech-with-code licenses are good for Element 1, but other
expired-beyond-the-grace-period licenses are not. So someone who held a
Novice
50 years ago and let it expire gets Element 1 credit, but someone who held
an
Extra and let it expire 732 days ago gets no credit.

In similar fashion, an expired Tech from before March 21, 1987 is worth
Element
3, but not Element 2! Also, no other expired-beyond-the-grace-period
license is
worth written element credit.

Huh?

73 de Jim, N2EY

Ok now how about this?

My license is now expired, but....

I have sitting on my desk:
an origional 01/14/86 issued "Technician License" and
an origional 07/11/89 issued "Technician License (address change)

If i gave to a VE the earlier issued lic. do I get credit for elements
1 and 3, giving me a general class now? With no retesting?
I think at that time gen and tech written were the same, only
needing faster
code for the gen.

Or
If i gave the VE the latter issued lic. do I get credit only for the
code, meaning i must retake the written tech and general?

Brian,

The earlier license carries credit for Element 1 (5 wpm code) and Element 3
(General written). See paragraphs (9) and (8). But it does not carry credit for
Element 2 (Technician written!). Even though the Tech and General written were
the same in 1986, they're not the same now.

So the thing to do is to brush up on Element 2. It's 35 questions, multiple
choice, and the Q&A pools are available for free download at several websites.
You can also do online practice exams for any written element to see how well
the studying is going.

When you're ready to try the Element 2 exam, go to a VE session, present your
1986 license and take Element 2. Once Element 2 is passed, you'll have a
General.

In fact, while you're there, try Element 4 (Extra). Costs nothing but your
time, and you might wind up an Extra.

73 es GL de Jim, N2EY.

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