We're not going to have an iota of privacy left.

Is time to go back to a non-plastic society? Cash only, buying stuff in corner
stores too small to have cameras, except that in many cities the police have
sidewalk cameras. Buy gas with a credit card and people know where you've been.
Use an autiomatic toll machine bypass device, they know when you were there.

For every technological benefit there's an offsetting mis-use that negates the
benefit...except that maybe the benefits accrue to the big corporations...being
ever more efficient at manipulating us to buy crap.

GOT THIS OFF GOOGLE NEWS
Posted by CmdrTaco on Sunday July 20, @09:13AM
from the now-thats-just-creapy dept.
peteo writes "Think RFID tags are harmless? Look at how they are being used in
the UK: "At the Tesco Cambridge store, a camera trained on the Gillette blade
shelf, and triggered by RFID tags , captures a photo of each customer who
removes a Mach3 pack. Another photo is taken at the checkout and security staff
compare the two images to ensure they always have a pair" According to the
spokesman,"there are certainly not any privacy concerns" in relation to these
tags. He adds that there is plenty of in-store signage indicating the
supermarket's use of CCTV cameras. ""

They've been experimenting with those in Canada for the last 10 years.

Any Privacy Commissioner that speaks against it, gets fired too.

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*

Perhaps a short burst of microwave energy would zap these little bugs when
you get outside of the stores. The only real problem with this is that you
have expensive electronics and other items that could be damaged by the
microwave bursts. The real problem is not incurring damage the other devices
that are affected by RF energy.

"RFCOMMSYS" wrote in message
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We're not going to have an iota of privacy left.


You got that right! I've been wondering what, if anything, the victim (the
consumer) can do to neutralize these things. It's my understanding that
they're
passive devices with no power source. But since they depend on RF energy,
wouldn't encasing the item with metal block the signal? Can they somehow
be
grounded out or overloaded, etc? What about using a portable low-power
transmitter that radiates a wide-band jamming signal? Just imagine how
hilarious it would be to jam the store's whole system! Surely there must
be
some "harmless" way to hack these Orwellian demons without causing
permanent
damage and getting oneself into legal trouble?

I've never heard mentioned anywhere what frequency they operate at.

Bill, K5BY

"WShoots1" wrote in message
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I've never heard mentioned anywhere what frequency they operate at.

Bill, K5BY

There's a few he

http://www.rf-id.com/toc.htm

Frank Dresser

"Frank Dresser" wrote in
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"WShoots1" wrote in message
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I've never heard mentioned anywhere what frequency they operate at.

Bill, K5BY

There's a few he

http://www.rf-id.com/toc.htm

Frank Dresser




You know what? We can drive ourselves crazy worrying about this kind of
stuff, or just accept it and get on with our lives. The current mindset in
Congress is paranoid in the extreme. They are giving the RIAA carte'
blanche in it's war against music sharers, and they will do the same with
any and all of this kind of intrusive technology.

If you walk into Walmart, you accept their house rules for the time you are
inside.

The best fight against this would be an orchestrated media blitz by some
watchdog organization. Most people don't even have a clue what this is or
why they should resist it. The second best would be thousands of well
written letters to Walmart from consumers, explaining that you will not be
spending any of your money there if this technology is in place.

You can always shop at the local mom and pop outlet, if Walmart hasn't run
them out of business. You'll pay more - lots more.

"donut" wrote in message
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"Frank Dresser" wrote in
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There's a few he

http://www.rf-id.com/toc.htm

Frank Dresser




You know what? We can drive ourselves crazy worrying about this kind of
stuff, or just accept it and get on with our lives. The current mindset in
Congress is paranoid in the extreme. They are giving the RIAA carte'
blanche in it's war against music sharers, and they will do the same with
any and all of this kind of intrusive technology.


Actually, the RFID issue doesn't bother me much. I don't think it's much
different than those security tags they've been using for years. I saw the
RFID website before, and for some reason, I remembered enough to look it up
quick.

The RIAA issue bothers me more, the RF interference issue bothers me more,
the feeling I have that voters can be swayed by a barrage of silly
uninformitave campaign advertising bothers me most of all.


If you walk into Walmart, you accept their house rules for the time you
are
inside.

The best fight against this would be an orchestrated media blitz by some
watchdog organization. Most people don't even have a clue what this is or
why they should resist it. The second best would be thousands of well
written letters to Walmart from consumers, explaining that you will not be
spending any of your money there if this technology is in place.

You can always shop at the local mom and pop outlet, if Walmart hasn't run
them out of business. You'll pay more - lots more.

There's three Wal-Marts within easy driving distance for me. I doubt I've
been there over a dozen times in the last dozen years. It doesn't appeal to
me, and I have no good explaination. Everybody is too happy. Like the
opening scenes of a Sci-Fi movie.

Frank Dresser

Many thanks, Frank. I've saved that URL for later looking.

Now, would an EMP blow out all the RFID's planned to be embedded in products
and in the new currency coming out? Maybe bar codes should be kept. They can be
read by a human, should scanners get knocked out.

Also, has anyone given any thought to what an EMP might do the microprocessor
in a newer vehicle's engine compartment?

Bill, K5BY

"WShoots1" wrote in message
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Many thanks, Frank. I've saved that URL for later looking.

You're welcome. I love the internet. It's just full of information. Some
of it's true!


Now, would an EMP blow out all the RFID's planned to be embedded in
products
and in the new currency coming out? Maybe bar codes should be kept. They
can be
read by a human, should scanners get knocked out.

Bar codes? When the EMPistas say we'll be taking the lightning express back
to the Stone Age, they aren't talking bar codes. We'll be back to the
skinny kid at the grocery store pop-pop-popping price tags on the cans.

Anyway, Alex Jones says they've been tracking the bills in our pockets for
years. They use plain vans, without any glass windows behind the driver's
door.


Also, has anyone given any thought to what an EMP might do the
microprocessor
in a newer vehicle's engine compartment?

Bill, K5BY

That's one of the EMP attack scenerios. If only 10% of the cars were
disabled during the rush hour(s), drivers of emergency vehicles would find
the streets impassable. But, as I understand, there's alot of EMP theory,
and much of it's unverified, and unverifiable, unless we start resuming high
altitude air bursts.

Of course, there have been reports of UFOs disabling cars years before
electronic engine controls and any knowledge of EMP. I'd like to think some
young Poindexter was leafing through the Flying Saucer magazines 40 - 50
years ago, and wondering how that could be done.

We do now have the High Power Microwave system, which is supposed to work
something like a narrow focus EMP. Seems they'd like to get the weight of
the system under 500 lbs. Get it under 5 lbs. and no RFID tag will be safe.
And under 50 bucks.

http://www.fas.org/spp/military/doco...s/ch100309.htm

Plenty more where that came from:

http://fas.org/

This is probably related to the car stopper gizmo they've been promising to
the cops for the last few years. Aside from the obvious cautions, such as
they ought to consider carefully before zapping some knucklehead's car at
120 mph or scrambling all the hard drives in a neighborhood, they also might
want to think about a having a trunk full of capacitors or whatever else
that's ready to discharge with more power than all the world's generators,
even if for only an instanteouneous flash. Yikes! Where's Ralph Nader on
this one?

Frank Dresser

Who's 'Arkansas Plum'? No credibility.


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"Arkansas plum" wrote in message
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"Constitutionalist1" wrote in message
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Perhaps a short burst of microwave energy would zap these little bugs
when
you get outside of the stores. The only real problem with this is that
you
have expensive electronics and other items that could be damaged by the
microwave bursts. The real problem is not incurring damage the other
devices
that are affected by RF energy.

Perhaps the better way is to simply AVOID
THE PURCHASE of all Gillette Corporation
products...?

Here is the short list of Gillette Corporation
Product BRAND NAMES which will incorporate
RFID tagging chips. Comming very soon to a
supermarket shelve near you:

Duracell (consumer and photographic batteries)
Braun (numerous products from coffee makers to personal care items)
Gillette (numerous mens/womens razor and personal grooming products)
Right Guard (deodorant products)
Oral-B (Dental/Oral care products)

These are the product brand names above that you should avoid.

If you are unsure, just look at the bottom of the product
label or carton. If it says "The Gillette Corporation" on
it, put it back ON THE SHELF and WALK AWAY.

The brand names above have RF tracking
devices incorporated into the product.