http://www.home.earthlink.net/~srw-swling/icom.htm

quite interesting,

he could have saved a lot of trouble by just buying a Satellit 800. the
king of radios

Diverd4777 wrote:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~srw-swling/icom.htm

I fully agree. Unless he wants to listen to helos over the Grand
Banks, the Grundig is probably more bang for the 500 clams.

I use an SW2 for KGO and KNBR, btw.

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 20:41:25 GMT, the captain
wrote:

quite interesting,

he could have saved a lot of trouble by just buying a Satellit 800. the
king of radios

Diverd4777 wrote:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~srw-swling/icom.htm

"the captain" schreef in bericht
...
quite interesting,

he could have saved a lot of trouble by just buying a Satellit 800. the
king of radios

Diverd4777 wrote:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~srw-swling/icom.htm


That´s interesting, here in europe at least one of the main suppliers of
Ham-equipment doesn´t sell the 800 anymore, due to "inferior quality" ...
See http://www.thiecom.de/shop1/WeltempfaengerGRUNDIG.html for further
information...

Bjern Snelders,
Holland

Icom R75
Icom R70
Sangean ATS909
Aimor TR-105
Sony SW77
Philips D909

the captain wrote in message news:VTrzb.383478
he could have saved a lot of trouble by just buying a Satellit 800. the
king of radios

Diverd4777 wrote:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~srw-swling/icom.htm
Yes I agree with that, Satellite 800 is the "IMAGES KING",syntetizer
noise,not RF gain control,no PBT, no DSP, not 1hz tunning
steps,background hiss and deaf for MW reception.This for sure is
having "a lot trouble".But the Sat 800 sound is very nice for program
listening.About the R-75 review, I will send him an advice of how to
fix its AGC problem with just adding a 220 uf cap to pin 4 in the sync
IC.

Son, let me tell you a thing or two... the satellit 800 don't need no
stinking PBT or DSP. the sync detector is BETTER than all those options

the captain


Kenneth wrote:
the captain wrote in message news:VTrzb.383478

he could have saved a lot of trouble by just buying a Satellit 800. the
king of radios

Diverd4777 wrote:

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~srw-swling/icom.htm

Yes I agree with that, Satellite 800 is the "IMAGES KING",syntetizer
noise,not RF gain control,no PBT, no DSP, not 1hz tunning
steps,background hiss and deaf for MW reception.This for sure is
having "a lot trouble".But the Sat 800 sound is very nice for program
listening.About the R-75 review, I will send him an advice of how to
fix its AGC problem with just adding a 220 uf cap to pin 4 in the sync
IC.

let me tell you a thing or two... the satellit 800 don't need no
stinking PBT or DSP. the sync detector is BETTER than all those options

It depends, as always, on what the listener requires for the types of listening
they do most often. If you tend to listen only to SW programming or MW
stations, and casually at that, then perhaps you may not need anything more
than a good synch. function, decent tone controls, good headphones and a quiet
antenna.
For most SWLs, however, a good, working synch detector (which the 800 does
boast, and rightfully so) is simply not good enough for other fading, noise and
distortion problems, and since it is an entirely different function than
passband tuning or even the much-debated DSP function, it is silly to claim
that any synch detector is 'better' than those features. It's like claiming a
preselector is better than a 3-band EQ... apples and oranges.
I've never been a fan of DSP, at least not the more common AF DSP (rather than
true IF types) so that's neither here nor there for me.
I like the 800, but for my listening tastes, if I don't have a good PBT or IF
shift, or a more robust selection of bandwidths, I won't use the radio.
It's great, but it ain't no 'king' of radios.
You have the right to love it to death and sleep with it each night, of course.
And God bless you... but to each their own, right?
Linus

the captain disagrees. a good sync means there is no need for PBT. if
the 800 can tune 1 Khz away and then lock on the wanted sideband and use
a narrow filter to boot. that is all one needs.

the 800 IS the king of low cost radios. name the captain one radio
better that cost below $350 used. one must spend $800+ to go to a Drake
R8B to get a better receiver.

the captain has spoken.



GrtPmpkin32 wrote:
let me tell you a thing or two... the satellit 800 don't need no
stinking PBT or DSP. the sync detector is BETTER than all those options


It depends, as always, on what the listener requires for the types of listening
they do most often. If you tend to listen only to SW programming or MW
stations, and casually at that, then perhaps you may not need anything more
than a good synch. function, decent tone controls, good headphones and a quiet
antenna.
For most SWLs, however, a good, working synch detector (which the 800 does
boast, and rightfully so) is simply not good enough for other fading, noise and
distortion problems, and since it is an entirely different function than
passband tuning or even the much-debated DSP function, it is silly to claim
that any synch detector is 'better' than those features. It's like claiming a
preselector is better than a 3-band EQ... apples and oranges.
I've never been a fan of DSP, at least not the more common AF DSP (rather than
true IF types) so that's neither here nor there for me.
I like the 800, but for my listening tastes, if I don't have a good PBT or IF
shift, or a more robust selection of bandwidths, I won't use the radio.
It's great, but it ain't no 'king' of radios.
You have the right to love it to death and sleep with it each night, of course.
And God bless you... but to each their own, right?
Linus

the captain disagrees. a good sync means there is no need for PBT. if
the 800 can tune 1 Khz away and then lock on the wanted sideband and use
a narrow filter to boot. that is all one needs.

Perhaps. IF you're listening to an AM signal and no other problems are present
in reception. If you're trying to seperate crowded amateur signals in SSB, a
synch isn't going to do you any good, and if you don't have some kind of
passband shifting, you'll have to rely on your narrowest filter which may not
yield enough width to avoid fatigue or otherwise kill the signal. If you add
any hash, noise, or hets, while trying to grab a utility or non-AM or voice
mode signal, the synch isn't going to help you there either, and the slight use
of DSP and efficient use of passband can do the trick.

the 800 IS the king of low cost radios.

Which is entirely different than saying it's the king of *radios*. The
qualifier is reasonable when stated that way.


name the captain one radio
better that cost below $350 used.

Not having a listing of radios which have sold for under $350 for the last
fiscal year, I cannot. I do know that synchronous detection is is a fabulous
tool when used correctly, and I use it often. But if one wants to listen to
more than AM voice or music signals, and wants a receiver which tunes finely
enough to use ECSS methods, then there are other radios which might cost LESS
than $350 used, AND have PBT... and a look at eham trader, eBay, and even AES
or Universal can (not always but sometimes) find you good deals. But again, I
don't have a problem with an enthusiastic 800 user saying it's the king of *low
cost* radios... I was only referring to the blanket claim.
Linus

500 clams? For about 1/2 that, ya' can get a decent R71A on the used
market.

David wrote:

I fully agree. Unless he wants to listen to helos over the Grand
Banks, the Grundig is probably more bang for the 500 clams.

I use an SW2 for KGO and KNBR, btw.

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 20:41:25 GMT, the captain
wrote:



quite interesting,

he could have saved a lot of trouble by just buying a Satellit 800. the
king of radios

Diverd4777 wrote:


http://www.home.earthlink.net/~srw-swling/icom.htm