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A.E. 352 December 16th 06 03:04 PM

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JA December 16th 06 04:52 PM

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Hurray! ! ! Next step? No more testing at all--just get a radio and join
the CBers and truckers with all the filth! ! !
"A.E. 352" wrote in message
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Sum Ting Wong December 16th 06 04:57 PM

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On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:04:08 GMT, "A.E. 352"
wrote:

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There goes the neighborhood! (Good Buddy)

S.T.W.

al goss December 16th 06 05:31 PM

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SEAR's and WAL-MART having a ham radio license sale !!
Makes one glad to be a "short-timer" in age. erg

"JA" wrote in message
. net...
Hurray! ! ! Next step? No more testing at all--just get a radio and join
the CBers and truckers with all the filth! ! !
"A.E. 352" wrote in message
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[email protected] December 16th 06 07:45 PM

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Its about damn time. CW is outdated and has been an impedement to new
hams for years.

With the new frequency allotments we should be in line for some
interesting times in ham radio.




al goss wrote:
SEAR's and WAL-MART having a ham radio license sale !!
Makes one glad to be a "short-timer" in age. erg

"JA" wrote in message
. net...
Hurray! ! ! Next step? No more testing at all--just get a radio and join
the CBers and truckers with all the filth! ! !
"A.E. 352" wrote in message
...
http://www.hamwave.com/cgi-bin/index...ewnews&id=1231





Sum Ting Wong December 16th 06 08:38 PM

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On 16 Dec 2006 11:45:28 -0800, wrote:

Its about damn time. CW is outdated and has been an impedement to new
hams for years.

With the new frequency allotments we should be in line for some
interesting times in ham radio.


I noticed that the entry level licenses have been code test free for
quite awhile now. I see the dumbing down of the ham radio hobby as
just another form of welfare, rewarding folks who have no initiative
or who aren't motivated or committed to get off their fat asses and
work for something that will benefit them. My only hope is that the
written exams continue to stay in place to filter out folks who are
too darn stupid to read and write.

S.T.W.

Clem December 16th 06 08:58 PM

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Sum Ting Wong wrote in
:

On 16 Dec 2006 11:45:28 -0800, wrote:

Its about damn time. CW is outdated and has been an impedement to new
hams for years.

With the new frequency allotments we should be in line for some
interesting times in ham radio.


I noticed that the entry level licenses have been code test free for
quite awhile now. I see the dumbing down of the ham radio hobby as
just another form of welfare, rewarding folks who have no initiative
or who aren't motivated or committed to get off their fat asses and
work for something that will benefit them. My only hope is that the
written exams continue to stay in place to filter out folks who are
too darn stupid to read and write.

S.T.W.


Amen. When organizations like MARS can't forward a message because nobody
took the time to learn code, then and only then will the significance of
this mistake be felt.

I hope organizations like MARS make CW a requirement for membership.

de N9LCP

JA December 17th 06 02:29 AM

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It's the money stupid, not the hobby! !
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Clem December 17th 06 04:25 AM

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"JA" wrote in news:6Y1hh.10152$hI.7696
@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net:

It's the money stupid, not the hobby! !
"A.E. 352" wrote in message
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Who you calling stupid? It's not about the money. How does the FCC make
any money by eliminating cw? It's about this country following in the
footsteps of other countries that dropped the cw requirements.

While there are a few who can not demonstrate enough cw proficency to get
an hf endorsement, there are 1000 behind each one complaining cw is to
hard. Oh boo hoo, to difficult or to lazy. I choose the later.

I thought the no-code tech was a good idea because it gave you a taste of
what the hobby is about. In this area there was a 2 meter repeater cross
linked to a 10 meter repeater. Years ago as a VE, I use to do parlor
tricks bringing up the link, talking to someone 1000 or more miles away
and watching the students jaws drop.

I understand what it feels like to to be unable to demonstrate enough cw
proficency for an upgrade. I'm stuck at 13wpm, can't do it any faster,
but at least I was able to do 5wpm and then with a lot of hard work I
managed to raise the bar to 13wpm and get my General Class.

Frankly, I don't do much cw because of a physical limitation, but when
you NEED as in an emergency to get a message through, cw in some cases is
the only way.

The FCC could and should change the ruling. I think demonstrating some
form of proficiency at 3-5 wpm would be fair. Do you realize how slow
that is?

What's the point of cooking steak if your to lazy to chew it?


-snip-


JA December 17th 06 04:35 AM

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Duh......oh well forget it
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[email protected] December 17th 06 03:27 PM

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the sky is falling oh my oh my--no code, no steam engines, no dials on
phones, no steamships, no reheating the leftovers in the oven, no cloth
diapers, and they even have taken the cranks off the fronts of the cars
(how will we start them)


Clem December 17th 06 06:05 PM

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wrote in news:1166369273.864290.176050
@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

the sky is falling oh my oh my--no code, no steam engines, no dials on
phones, no steamships, no reheating the leftovers in the oven, no cloth
diapers, and they even have taken the cranks off the fronts of the cars
(how will we start them)


You missed the point entirely. While making things easier is a great
vision, there comes a point when making something to easy to perform
will in the long term make something more difficult.

No matter how much bandwidth the FCC provides, there is only a limited
amount. Think of it as the highway that will never expand but the total
amount of traffic does.

Given the projected reports on how many stations will upgrade to HF
equipment combined with an inundation of new licensees whose only
intentions are to operate under 30mhz and you have a formula for a
frequency pileup.

The lack of cw knowledge reduces the ability of an operator to function
especially in times of an emergency. Propagation beacons use cw to
identify themselves as well as beacons used in aviation. The point here
being, how will you positively know your listening to the correct beacon
if you can't read the id. Digital stations such as pactor, packet, amtor
and the like can if initiated identify themselves with cw in place of a
digital transmission.

No, the FCC blew this big time. They didn't take into account all the
facets of HF operation that operators use to comply with local and
international regulations. A non-code HF operator will not have the
ability to detect or determine the seriousness of emergency cw calls
should one incur.

Those stations that have the ability to detect them may have a problem
requesting a standby from other stations operating near a distress
frequency.

Since my initial licensing in 1991 I have only heard two distress calls
using cw. Both were handled by other stations, but again, the point here
being that this situation does periodically exist and as a consequence of
our licensing, all radio operators should be capable of providing
assistance when it is required without any allowances for a lack of
common sense, knowledge or ability.

Last but not least, I feel it is just wrong to eliminate a testing phase
that has been in existence for many years, allowed tens of thousands
people nationally and millions worldwide the pleasure of amateur radio
because less than one half of one percent of them say cw is to difficult.

73 de N9LCP - Marc

Bill Turner December 17th 06 08:57 PM

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Please folks, do not reply to these off topic posts.

If these idiots never get any replies, they will eventually give up
and go away.

Thanks,

Bill, W6WRT

Ron December 17th 06 11:38 PM

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because less than one half of one percent of them say cw is to difficult.

73 de N9LCP - Marc



Where did you ever get this number from ?

Zommbee December 18th 06 05:29 AM

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So your reply is somehow 'special'? Why do you not practice your own
recommendation?


"Bill Turner" wrote in message
...
Please folks, do not reply to these off topic posts.

If these idiots never get any replies, they will eventually give up
and go away.

Thanks,

Bill, W6WRT




Clem December 19th 06 12:53 AM

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Ron wrote in :

because less than one half of one percent of them say cw is to
difficult.


73 de N9LCP - Marc



Where did you ever get this number from ?



Applying some diligence. I don't keep spreadsheets or records.
The question itself regarding the elimination of cw has been
an active topic for many years.

Do some research among people who "HAD" to take the test since the
inception of the no-code tech license.

I was amazed to find among those people who "HAD" to take the test that
perhaps 1 in 250 criticized cw as a dinosaur that should of died years
ago. By their own admission, they felt "annoyed" taking the cw test as
they believed cw had no useful purpose.

Opinions expressed were wide and varied. However, one opinion that stood
out from the rest was the speed qualifications. Most thought the minimum
speeds presently associated with a class of license were not fair.

Some thought as an example, speeds of 3 for Novice, 5 for Tech, 7 for
General, 10 for Advanced and 13 for Extra were more appropriate.

I'm sure if you conducted a poll breaking the responses down into
categories such as type of license, how often they use cw and for what
purpose, you'll come up with numbers all over the place.

The reasons I stated for not eliminating cw are entirely my own.

Marc

Clem December 19th 06 12:56 AM

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"Zommbee" wrote in
:

So your reply is somehow 'special'? Why do you not practice your own
recommendation?


"Bill Turner" wrote in message
...
Please folks, do not reply to these off topic posts.

If these idiots never get any replies, they will eventually give up
and go away.

Thanks,

Bill, W6WRT





That's gonna leave a bruise!


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