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Got an answer on my ad on a radio I am selling Here is what I got in reply
after I told him my price.He must think we are all dimwits or dopes.


Dick Burke,

ok i will with immediate effect instruct my client who is owing the
sum of $1,720. to prepare you a cashier check of this said amount and as
soon as you receive the check and you cash it you will deduct yours and wire
back the diffreence back to me via [ WESTERN UNION MONEY TRANSFER ] .
moreso i want you to calculate the cost of shipping to west africa in
additing to the said amount .

get back to me with your complete information such as ;

NAME=====

ADDRESS=====

STATE======

CITY======

PHONE NUMBER=======

reply soonest .

prince chike .

Too funny
Do people actually fall for this?

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:18:59 GMT, "Its Me Again !"
wrote:

Got an answer on my ad on a radio I am selling Here is what I got in reply
after I told him my price.He must think we are all dimwits or dopes.


Dick Burke,

ok i will with immediate effect instruct my client who is owing the
sum of $1,720. to prepare you a cashier check of this said amount and as
soon as you receive the check and you cash it you will deduct yours and wire
back the diffreence back to me via [ WESTERN UNION MONEY TRANSFER ] .
moreso i want you to calculate the cost of shipping to west africa in
additing to the said amount .

get back to me with your complete information such as ;

NAME=====

ADDRESS=====

STATE======

CITY======

PHONE NUMBER=======

reply soonest .

prince chike .

Very strange. I, too, had a gentleman from England offer me a third party
cashier's check for $5000 for a $1500 rig I was trying to sell and he wanted
me to send the difference to him along with the rig. I even answered him
with "no deal".
Boy, was I stupid to even answer him like a gentleman.


"Bruce Markowitz" wrote in message
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Too funny
Do people actually fall for this?

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:18:59 GMT, "Its Me Again !"
wrote:

Got an answer on my ad on a radio I am selling Here is what I got in
reply
after I told him my price.He must think we are all dimwits or dopes.


Dick Burke,

ok i will with immediate effect instruct my client who is owing the
sum of $1,720. to prepare you a cashier check of this said amount and as
soon as you receive the check and you cash it you will deduct yours and
wire
back the diffreence back to me via [ WESTERN UNION MONEY TRANSFER ] .
moreso i want you to calculate the cost of shipping to west africa in
additing to the said amount .

get back to me with your complete information such as ;

NAME=====

ADDRESS=====

STATE======

CITY======

PHONE NUMBER=======

reply soonest .

prince chike .

"Marvin Moss" wrote in
ink.net:

Very strange. I, too, had a gentleman from England offer me a third
party cashier's check for $5000 for a $1500 rig I was trying to sell and
he wanted me to send the difference to him along with the rig. I even
answered him with "no deal".
Boy, was I stupid to even answer him like a gentleman.


Hmmmm...... I musy be getting thick in my old age. If you wait until the
cheque shows up, have the cash in your hot little hand, then the radio
gets sent out, where's the scam ??? Now if you were to ship first and wait
for the cheque........... more fool you :) !!!!

--
Panzer

"Panzer240" wrote in message
...

Hmmmm...... I musy be getting thick in my old age. If you wait until the
cheque shows up, have the cash in your hot little hand, then the radio
gets sent out, where's the scam ??? Now if you were to ship first and wait
for the cheque........... more fool you :) !!!!


When the check comes back as invalid, or forged, the bank is going to come
knocking on your account to get that hot little cash back from you...

PH

There are doing this scam in Ireland at the moment as well. They will buy a
£10 Cashiers Cheque from a bank and then cut off the hologram and put it on
a £5000 forgery. Cashiers in the bank are even having trouble telling the
difference because they are so well done.


"Panzer240" wrote in message
...
"Marvin Moss" wrote in
ink.net:

Very strange. I, too, had a gentleman from England offer me a third
party cashier's check for $5000 for a $1500 rig I was trying to sell and
he wanted me to send the difference to him along with the rig. I even
answered him with "no deal".
Boy, was I stupid to even answer him like a gentleman.


Hmmmm...... I musy be getting thick in my old age. If you wait until the
cheque shows up, have the cash in your hot little hand, then the radio
gets sent out, where's the scam ??? Now if you were to ship first and wait
for the cheque........... more fool you :) !!!!

--
Panzer

Problem is the 'official' looking check arrives, you deposit to your bank,
the check clears just fine, then about ten or more days later, you get a phone
call
or a letter in the mail from your bank that tells you the check in question
was a
forged instrument and is worthless, plus you bank may also charge you fees to
handle this forgery.

regards
jimbo

Panzer240 wrote:

"Marvin Moss" wrote in
ink.net:

Very strange. I, too, had a gentleman from England offer me a third
party cashier's check for $5000 for a $1500 rig I was trying to sell and
he wanted me to send the difference to him along with the rig. I even
answered him with "no deal".
Boy, was I stupid to even answer him like a gentleman.


Hmmmm...... I musy be getting thick in my old age. If you wait until the
cheque shows up, have the cash in your hot little hand, then the radio
gets sent out, where's the scam ??? Now if you were to ship first and wait
for the cheque........... more fool you :) !!!!

--
Panzer

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:37:39 GMT, Panzer240
wrote:

"Marvin Moss" wrote in
link.net:

Very strange. I, too, had a gentleman from England offer me a third
party cashier's check for $5000 for a $1500 rig I was trying to sell and
he wanted me to send the difference to him along with the rig. I even
answered him with "no deal".
Boy, was I stupid to even answer him like a gentleman.


Hmmmm...... I musy be getting thick in my old age. If you wait until the
cheque shows up, have the cash in your hot little hand, then the radio
gets sent out, where's the scam ??? Now if you were to ship first and wait
for the cheque........... more fool you :) !!!!

The checks are forgeries, which leaves you responsible to return the
funds to the bank where you cashed the check.

Howard

Panzer240 wrote:

I musy be getting thick in my old age. If you wait until the
cheque shows up, have the cash in your hot little hand, then the radio
gets sent out, where's the scam ??

Because the cheque isn't as secure as you think, and will bounce, causing a
chargeback to your account _after_ you have sent the goods and money.
Depending on the source, ask your bank how long you need to hold the
money...


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at www.albany.net/~gwoods
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1200' elevation. NY WO G

The rub comes when your bank calls and tells you the check was phony and
your responsible. Now your rig and the total check amount goes in the gone
column.

Replacing to the bank the amount you charged for the rig, makes your net
losses the difference you sent the scammer plus your rig.

Had you cashed the check, and never sent the rig, the bank would get the
check amount back, you would still have the rig, and it is unlikly the
scammer would ever post that you cheated him in any newsgroup.

"Panzer240" wrote in message
...
"Marvin Moss" wrote in
ink.net:

Very strange. I, too, had a gentleman from England offer me a third
party cashier's check for $5000 for a $1500 rig I was trying to sell and
he wanted me to send the difference to him along with the rig. I even
answered him with "no deal".
Boy, was I stupid to even answer him like a gentleman.


Hmmmm...... I musy be getting thick in my old age. If you wait until the
cheque shows up, have the cash in your hot little hand, then the radio
gets sent out, where's the scam ??? Now if you were to ship first and wait
for the cheque........... more fool you :) !!!!

--
Panzer

"PowerHouse CB & Scanner" wrote
in :

"Panzer240" wrote in message
...

Hmmmm...... I musy be getting thick in my old age. If you wait until
the cheque shows up, have the cash in your hot little hand, then the
radio gets sent out, where's the scam ??? Now if you were to ship first
and wait for the cheque........... more fool you :) !!!!


When the check comes back as invalid, or forged, the bank is going to
come knocking on your account to get that hot little cash back from
you...

PH





I thought about that :) Probably would insist the bank verify that the
cheque was good before I even considered sending out the gear. Then there
is the larcenous thought, cash the cheque and forget to send the gear and
difference ;) because, if on the surface, it appears too good to be true,
it probably is too good to be true LOL. As they say In God we trust, all
others pay cash.

heheheheh
--
Panzer

If you wait until the
cheque shows up, have the cash in your hot little hand, then the radio
gets sent out, where's the scam ???

Because you are responsible for that cheque, even if it should be determined
false 8, 10, 12 weeks later .....and therein lies the scam. Now, if the bank
accepts it with "NO RECOURSE" written on the back, that MAY protect you...have
to ask the wife, she works in the fraud section of a major US bank. I DO know
that a international certified cheque may take up to 8 weeks to properly
clear, so I'd not ship a thing until I get a full-blown "green light" from the
bank.

A

"Panzer240" wrote in message
...
"Marvin Moss" wrote in
ink.net:

Very strange. I, too, had a gentleman from England offer me a third
party cashier's check for $5000 for a $1500 rig I was trying to sell and
he wanted me to send the difference to him along with the rig. I even
answered him with "no deal".
Boy, was I stupid to even answer him like a gentleman.


Hmmmm...... I musy be getting thick in my old age. If you wait until the
cheque shows up, have the cash in your hot little hand, then the radio
gets sent out, where's the scam ??? Now if you were to ship first and wait
for the cheque........... more fool you :) !!!!

--
Panzer


Because it actually takes several weeks for it to be proven valid. The poor
sucker ships the radio after a week or two and the valid Western Union
moneygram. Then afterwards, he is notified by his bank that this third
party cashier's check is no good the deposit is removed from the account.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Fricken ba$tard gets rig for free and $3500 cash. Not a bad deal eh?
Tell him to eF (finance) himself :-)

And then you get "better" deals from Nigeria or other rapidly developing
country, we are talking millions man!

BUm

And, as usual, just listen to your GUT INSTINCTS! Most folks looking for
SOMETHING for nothing, GET NOTHING for something!
Keep in mind: the best way to QUADRUPLE your money, is to fold it in HALF,
TWICE !!! Jim - NN7K



"Yuri Blanarovich" wrote in message
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Fricken ba$tard gets rig for free and $3500 cash. Not a bad deal eh?
Tell him to eF (finance) himself :-)

And then you get "better" deals from Nigeria or other rapidly developing
country, we are talking millions man!

BUm

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:37:39 GMT, Panzer240
wrote:

"Marvin Moss" wrote in
link.net:

Very strange. I, too, had a gentleman from England offer me a third
party cashier's check for $5000 for a $1500 rig I was trying to sell and
he wanted me to send the difference to him along with the rig. I even
answered him with "no deal".
Boy, was I stupid to even answer him like a gentleman.

Hmmmm...... I musy be getting thick in my old age. If you wait until the
cheque shows up, have the cash in your hot little hand, then the radio
gets sent out, where's the scam ??? Now if you were to ship first and wait
for the cheque........... more fool you :) !!!!

Can't the check bounce?

A fake cashiers check won't last long in your account.

These scams generally appeal to the victim's greed for an extralegal
bit of money.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
------------------------------------------------
at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

The SCAM is well known and documented many places if you do a bit of
searching.

The "cashier's check" whether third party or not is a forgery albeit a very
good one.

It's deposited by you and you believe after a reasonable time that all is well
since your bank accepted it and it hasn't been returned so you send the $$$
difference and the rig.

A few weeks later after going through the steps of the financial system it
appears back at your bank as no good and your account is debited for the full
amount.

You are left WITHOUT YOUR RIG and WITHOUT THE $$$ YOU SENT as "change" for the
forged check which was for more than the original amount.



Panzer240 wrote:

"Marvin Moss" wrote in
ink.net:

Very strange. I, too, had a gentleman from England offer me a third
party cashier's check for $5000 for a $1500 rig I was trying to sell and
he wanted me to send the difference to him along with the rig. I even
answered him with "no deal".
Boy, was I stupid to even answer him like a gentleman.


Hmmmm...... I musy be getting thick in my old age. If you wait until the
cheque shows up, have the cash in your hot little hand, then the radio
gets sent out, where's the scam ??? Now if you were to ship first and wait
for the cheque........... more fool you :) !!!!

--
Panzer

Hmmmm...... I musy be getting thick in my old age. If you wait until the
cheque shows up, have the cash in your hot little hand, then the radio
gets sent out, where's the scam ??? Now if you were to ship first and wait
for the cheque........... more fool you :) !!!!
Because in a week your bank will inform you that the check was a fraud. They
will then hold you accountable for the funds.

--
Panzer

"Panzer240" wrote in message
...
"Marvin Moss" wrote in
ink.net:

Very strange. I, too, had a gentleman from England offer me a third
party cashier's check for $5000 for a $1500 rig I was trying to sell and
he wanted me to send the difference to him along with the rig. I even
answered him with "no deal".
Boy, was I stupid to even answer him like a gentleman.


Hmmmm...... I musy be getting thick in my old age. If you wait until the
cheque shows up, have the cash in your hot little hand, then the radio
gets sent out, where's the scam ??? Now if you were to ship first and wait
for the cheque........... more fool you :) !!!!

The problem isn't cashing the check, it is in getting the check to clear. If
you would wait for the check to actually clear, then it would come back bad
and you would be out $50 or whatever your bank charges for bad checks.

Not to mention the problems you get into if you get indicted for money
laundering or anything else that can happen in international money
transfers.
thanks, John.
KC5DWD

On or about Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:37:39 +0000, Panzer240
wrote about the following in article
:



Hmmmm...... I musy be getting thick in my old age. If you wait until the
cheque shows up, have the cash in your hot little hand, then the radio
gets sent out, where's the scam ??? Now if you were to ship first and wait
for the cheque........... more fool you :) !!!!

It works this way

The check is deposited, and since it is a cashiers check/money order it is
immediately credited to the account.

The rig & excess cash are shipped out

Three days later it is determined that the check/money order is
counterfeit and the funds are removed from the account.

The depositor is now out the extra funds and the rig



--
Alex / AB2RC
ft100 software for Linux http://www.qsl.net/kc2ivl
"Good judgment comes from experience,
and a lot of that comes from bad judgment"

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:37:39 GMT, Panzer240
wrote:

"Marvin Moss" wrote in
link.net:

Very strange. I, too, had a gentleman from England offer me a third
party cashier's check for $5000 for a $1500 rig I was trying to sell and
he wanted me to send the difference to him along with the rig. I even
answered him with "no deal".
Boy, was I stupid to even answer him like a gentleman.


Hmmmm...... I musy be getting thick in my old age. If you wait until the
cheque shows up, have the cash in your hot little hand, then the radio
gets sent out, where's the scam ??? Now if you were to ship first and wait
for the cheque........... more fool you :) !!!!


It is a scam. A friend of mine ran into the same thing. He got the
check and a letter stating there was a mistake at the bank. I told him
to beware as I had read something on one of the news groups about a
scam that was like this.

He went to the bank and explained it to the teller. She looked it
over and told him it was a good check. He told her no ofence intended
but he would like to talk to the manager just to make sure everything
was OK. After a few minutes with the manager (I forgot to mention he
went to a branch of the issuing bank), the manager pulled out one of
there checks, and looked it over. Then he started to point out very
subtle differences in the check. He then told my friend that it was a
forgery.

He had my friend fill out a complaint for that would be passed on to
the federal authorities. He was also told that if he had just gone to
his own bank and cashed it, then sent this fellow his money. HE would
have been responsible for it. The check was for $5000 and the deal
was for a $1200 computer. He could have been charged with forgery.
Spent time in jail, and been made to pay back the value of the check.

Usually the buyer states that he will arrange the pickup of the item
in question, but know one ever shows up. They are not intrested in the
item. They just want the cash from a valid cashiers check.

If they don't get it, there hope is you were dishonest and cashed it
and kept they money. Then you'll get charged and they are basicly in
the clear.

"Panzer240" wrote in message
...
"Marvin Moss" wrote in
ink.net:

Very strange. I, too, had a gentleman from England offer me a third
party cashier's check for $5000 for a $1500 rig I was trying to sell and
he wanted me to send the difference to him along with the rig. I even
answered him with "no deal".
Boy, was I stupid to even answer him like a gentleman.


Hmmmm...... I musy be getting thick in my old age. If you wait until the
cheque shows up, have the cash in your hot little hand, then the radio
gets sent out, where's the scam ??? Now if you were to ship first and wait
for the cheque........... more fool you :) !!!!

--
Panzer

Three to five weeks after you have cashed the check and shipped the radio,
your bank informs you that the check was return as no good. You are out the
radio plus its shipping cost, the money you returned to the buyer. Plus, you
now owe your bank the full amount of the of the returned check alone with
any charges incured by them.

Jim


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