nice list, ergo

and, BTW, I am NOT from the USA, I am a HAM since 1990, CALLSIGNS OE8SOQ and
DD9XX,

what are you guys going to do, if you hear a station from lets say VK, GB,
DL, HB9, and many others, among them rare DX countries? First thing to ask
wether or not they did pass the CW Test? and then not continuing the QSO??
Would this be polite? hamlike? How would your reaction be if some DX ham
offends you like that?
The proposed changes in the ARRL paper saying, that your FCC will grant
lifetime credit for CW all previous licenced novices and techs. All techs
will have general privileges. Will you stop working them on the bands? Will
you resist to give them the point for ten-ten, WAS or whatever they are
chasing? Will you first go to buckmaster or QRZ and look up the callsign to
make shure not to talk to a NON-CW TESTED? This looks like to me as it was
down the years in your country when no white one would have shook hands with
a black man, or driven on the same bus. It is just RASISM. Will you let the
best hobby in the world go down the sewer pipe just for beeing too proud of
taking the CW test some time ago?

I think, that there is no question about the historical weight of CW for
radio comunications worldwide. Nowadays it has no more commercial nor
official impact. It seems to me, that it is the same as knowing how to write
on one of those old TRIUMPH Typwriters or handle one of those old TTY
monsters whith the punched paperstrip. It is a great handycraft to be able
to do this, but is is no more neccesary to learn how to write on one of
those old machines. Ask someone who grew up with the PC keybord to do this -
what will happen?

In my homecountry, Austria, they dropped the requirements for CW test end of
last year. BUT they stated in that law, that CW test can be required by the
applicants in future, as long as the authority can supply CW-EXAMINERS. BTW,
the former nocode Test was the same as for HF, just no CW. So every
Austrian licencee is tested like an EXTRA in the US, exept the CW. And this
is the same in all of the EUROPEAN countries.

Just my half EURO worth

Helmut
OE8SOQ

"ergo" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:0mlPb.93901$5V2.278472@attbi_s53...
Ham 12 years
ACS 2nd leader
46 states on 6meter
worked mir SS 100's of stations on sats
control opp 7 repeaters
donate much time and equiptment to fire stations
etc
nothing nice to say?
you STFU
what is an STFU??
more hams=more emergency people


"Steve Zodiac" wrote in message
...
hey ergo, it is "poor baby, here IS a towel.
Are you from the USA??
Are you a ham?
Go back to CB you keyclown.
Nothing nice to say?
shut up!

ergo wrote:

poor baby
here is towel

"Dan Mattingly N0FQN" wrote in message
...
Just what we need. Lazy belly aching people who want something for
nothing.
They'll get the HF bands and not appreciate what they have becuase
they
didn't have to work for it. Just like everything else in this
country.
Make
it conveient or I'll complain and bitch about it and find someway to
MAKE
you change it for me. I deeply appreciate my PRIVILEGES on HF
because
I
worked hard to get them.
I guess the next step is 4 watts RMS and 12 watts PEP and Channelize
the
bands and of course NO TESTING!!!! God forbid we should ask them to
take a
test..

Dan N0FQN

"Mark Russo" wrote in message
...
One of these below will get you there...

Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be
locked
in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stor.../01/19/1/?nc=1


Click he ARRLWeb: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License,
Code-Free
HF Access

Helmut wrote:

nice list, ergo

and, BTW, I am NOT from the USA, I am a HAM since 1990, CALLSIGNS OE8SOQ and
DD9XX,

what are you guys going to do, if you hear a station from lets say VK, GB,
DL, HB9, and many others, among them rare DX countries? First thing to ask
wether or not they did pass the CW Test? and then not continuing the QSO??
Would this be polite? hamlike? How would your reaction be if some DX ham
offends you like that?
The proposed changes in the ARRL paper saying, that your FCC will grant
lifetime credit for CW all previous licenced novices and techs. All techs
will have general privileges. Will you stop working them on the bands? Will
you resist to give them the point for ten-ten, WAS or whatever they are
chasing? Will you first go to buckmaster or QRZ and look up the callsign to
make shure not to talk to a NON-CW TESTED? This looks like to me as it was
down the years in your country when no white one would have shook hands with
a black man, or driven on the same bus. It is just RASISM. Will you let the
best hobby in the world go down the sewer pipe just for beeing too proud of
taking the CW test some time ago?

I think, that there is no question about the historical weight of CW for
radio comunications worldwide. Nowadays it has no more commercial nor
official impact. It seems to me, that it is the same as knowing how to write
on one of those old TRIUMPH Typwriters or handle one of those old TTY
monsters whith the punched paperstrip. It is a great handycraft to be able
to do this, but is is no more neccesary to learn how to write on one of
those old machines. Ask someone who grew up with the PC keybord to do this -
what will happen?

In my homecountry, Austria, they dropped the requirements for CW test end of
last year. BUT they stated in that law, that CW test can be required by the
applicants in future, as long as the authority can supply CW-EXAMINERS. BTW,
the former nocode Test was the same as for HF, just no CW. So every
Austrian licencee is tested like an EXTRA in the US, exept the CW. And this
is the same in all of the EUROPEAN countries.

Just my half EURO worth

Helmut
OE8SOQ

Hi, Helmut
For me it is not about learning CW. Looking back the history of ham radio,
I am wondering about the quality of today's operators. Majority of new
ones are just a bunch of glorified CB'ers. That's where my beef is.
Dropping CW requirement is fine with me. And written test is a joke.
Most don't even know which way current flows in a diode or how to
solder. I have better idea, just sell the licences with full previledge
for 1000.00 each to anyone. Getting driver's licence is harder than
getting a ham ticket now.
73,
Tony, VE6CGX

whine

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
news:21xPb.205544$JQ1.46984@pd7tw1no...


Helmut wrote:

nice list, ergo

and, BTW, I am NOT from the USA, I am a HAM since 1990, CALLSIGNS OE8SOQ
and
DD9XX,

what are you guys going to do, if you hear a station from lets say VK,
GB,
DL, HB9, and many others, among them rare DX countries? First thing to
ask
wether or not they did pass the CW Test? and then not continuing the
QSO??
Would this be polite? hamlike? How would your reaction be if some DX ham
offends you like that?
The proposed changes in the ARRL paper saying, that your FCC will grant
lifetime credit for CW all previous licenced novices and techs. All
techs
will have general privileges. Will you stop working them on the bands?
Will
you resist to give them the point for ten-ten, WAS or whatever they are
chasing? Will you first go to buckmaster or QRZ and look up the callsign
to
make shure not to talk to a NON-CW TESTED? This looks like to me as it
was
down the years in your country when no white one would have shook hands
with
a black man, or driven on the same bus. It is just RASISM. Will you let
the
best hobby in the world go down the sewer pipe just for beeing too proud
of
taking the CW test some time ago?

I think, that there is no question about the historical weight of CW for
radio comunications worldwide. Nowadays it has no more commercial nor
official impact. It seems to me, that it is the same as knowing how to
write
on one of those old TRIUMPH Typwriters or handle one of those old TTY
monsters whith the punched paperstrip. It is a great handycraft to be
able
to do this, but is is no more neccesary to learn how to write on one of
those old machines. Ask someone who grew up with the PC keybord to do
this -
what will happen?

In my homecountry, Austria, they dropped the requirements for CW test
end of
last year. BUT they stated in that law, that CW test can be required by
the
applicants in future, as long as the authority can supply CW-EXAMINERS.
BTW,
the former nocode Test was the same as for HF, just no CW. So every
Austrian licencee is tested like an EXTRA in the US, exept the CW. And
this
is the same in all of the EUROPEAN countries.

Just my half EURO worth

Helmut
OE8SOQ

Hi, Helmut
For me it is not about learning CW. Looking back the history of ham radio,
I am wondering about the quality of today's operators. Majority of new
ones are just a bunch of glorified CB'ers. That's where my beef is.
Dropping CW requirement is fine with me. And written test is a joke.
Most don't even know which way current flows in a diode or how to
solder. I have better idea, just sell the licences with full previledge
for 1000.00 each to anyone. Getting driver's licence is harder than
getting a ham ticket now.
73,
Tony, VE6CGX

As it damn well should be...it's much easier to get killed by a bad driver
than by
sloppy CW.


"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
news:21xPb.205544$JQ1.46984@pd7tw1no...
Getting driver's licence is harder than getting a ham ticket now.
73,
Tony, VE6CGX

thank you sir
73

"Helmut" wrote in message
...
nice list, ergo

and, BTW, I am NOT from the USA, I am a HAM since 1990, CALLSIGNS OE8SOQ
and
DD9XX,

what are you guys going to do, if you hear a station from lets say VK, GB,
DL, HB9, and many others, among them rare DX countries? First thing to ask
wether or not they did pass the CW Test? and then not continuing the QSO??
Would this be polite? hamlike? How would your reaction be if some DX ham
offends you like that?
The proposed changes in the ARRL paper saying, that your FCC will grant
lifetime credit for CW all previous licenced novices and techs. All techs
will have general privileges. Will you stop working them on the bands?
Will
you resist to give them the point for ten-ten, WAS or whatever they are
chasing? Will you first go to buckmaster or QRZ and look up the callsign
to
make shure not to talk to a NON-CW TESTED? This looks like to me as it
was
down the years in your country when no white one would have shook hands
with
a black man, or driven on the same bus. It is just RASISM. Will you let
the
best hobby in the world go down the sewer pipe just for beeing too proud
of
taking the CW test some time ago?

I think, that there is no question about the historical weight of CW for
radio comunications worldwide. Nowadays it has no more commercial nor
official impact. It seems to me, that it is the same as knowing how to
write
on one of those old TRIUMPH Typwriters or handle one of those old TTY
monsters whith the punched paperstrip. It is a great handycraft to be able
to do this, but is is no more neccesary to learn how to write on one of
those old machines. Ask someone who grew up with the PC keybord to do
this -
what will happen?

In my homecountry, Austria, they dropped the requirements for CW test end
of
last year. BUT they stated in that law, that CW test can be required by
the
applicants in future, as long as the authority can supply CW-EXAMINERS.
BTW,
the former nocode Test was the same as for HF, just no CW. So every
Austrian licencee is tested like an EXTRA in the US, exept the CW. And
this
is the same in all of the EUROPEAN countries.

Just my half EURO worth

Helmut
OE8SOQ

"ergo" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:0mlPb.93901$5V2.278472@attbi_s53...
Ham 12 years
ACS 2nd leader
46 states on 6meter
worked mir SS 100's of stations on sats
control opp 7 repeaters
donate much time and equiptment to fire stations
etc
nothing nice to say?
you STFU
what is an STFU??
more hams=more emergency people


"Steve Zodiac" wrote in message
...
hey ergo, it is "poor baby, here IS a towel.
Are you from the USA??
Are you a ham?
Go back to CB you keyclown.
Nothing nice to say?
shut up!

ergo wrote:

poor baby
here is towel

"Dan Mattingly N0FQN" wrote in message
...
Just what we need. Lazy belly aching people who want something for
nothing.
They'll get the HF bands and not appreciate what they have becuase
they
didn't have to work for it. Just like everything else in this
country.
Make
it conveient or I'll complain and bitch about it and find someway
to
MAKE
you change it for me. I deeply appreciate my PRIVILEGES on HF
because
I
worked hard to get them.
I guess the next step is 4 watts RMS and 12 watts PEP and
Channelize
the
bands and of course NO TESTING!!!! God forbid we should ask them
to
take a
test..

Dan N0FQN

"Mark Russo" wrote in message
...
One of these below will get you there...

Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class
to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be
locked
in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stor.../01/19/1/?nc=1


Click he ARRLWeb: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License,
Code-Free
HF Access

"Helmut" wrote in message
...
......
what are you guys going to do, if you hear a station from lets say VK, GB,
DL, HB9, and many others, among them rare DX countries? First thing to ask
wether or not they did pass the CW Test? and then not continuing the QSO??
Would this be polite? hamlike? How would your reaction be if some DX ham
offends you like that?


The point is not that wanting qualified operators to have CW or any other
radio-related skill is done for any reason of elitism, it is that it USED
to take much effort to EARN a license. Now you can get the answers to
memorize for a few (far too few) questions and "earn" a license with only a
few days of "study". Those of us who took the exams at the FCC offices
without any chance of helpful hints, winks or nudges by those giving the
exam do not like seeing all our efforts wasted. I had a lot of trouble and
spent many, many hours studying to pass the 20 WPM test. I don't even like
CW operation very much. But I was glad I spent the time because it really
meant something to pass the tests. Now, I realize that it will have been a
WASTED EFFORT if this new plan goes through since I would have had extra
privileges anyway.

10-4 good buddy, I guess I might as well sell my linears at the nearest
truck stop.
---- Brian

The point is not that wanting qualified operators to have CW or any
other radio-related skill is done for any reason of elitism, it is
that it USED to take much effort to EARN a license. portion snipped
But I was glad I spent the time because it really meant something to
pass the tests. Now, I realize that it will have been a WASTED
EFFORT if this new plan goes through since I would have had extra
privileges anyway.


Brian, I understand your sentiment as I partly feel the same way, but
from what you have said above, it does appear that you place perhaps a bit
more value in your accomplishment in getting the license, and maybe a bit
too little in just enjoying the hobby?

Ed WB6SAT

Brian and Ed,

it is never wasted time, to learn and study, we are doing this our life
long. When brian where studying his 20wpm code, this was a bonehard job, and
he got his ticket. Now (maybe since many years) you are still enjoying
hamradio and you had many years of fun with it. To call this WASTED EFFORT,
you should have been waiting till you get the same ticket codefree. You
would have missed a lot of fun throughout the years.

Don't mourn about the reached, look out to have fun on the bands.

And, to answer some of the concernes about rottening down the holy HF-Band
in a CB-manner: Here in Europe, almost all the countries did go the way the
WRC agreed on. And there are zumteen thousand of Radio Amateurs, like in VK,
now reanimating the bands, a little humble for the beginning, maybe, but I
never heard, what you call CB-manners. Maybe this is a problem over there in
the US. We are going to help these new HF-Hams to step onto the train. And
we welcome them as if they were passing the same test as we did.

Greetings from the heart of Europe

Helmut
OE8SOQ
"Ed G." schrieb im Newsbeitrag
. ..


The point is not that wanting qualified operators to have CW or any
other radio-related skill is done for any reason of elitism, it is
that it USED to take much effort to EARN a license. portion snipped
But I was glad I spent the time because it really meant something to
pass the tests. Now, I realize that it will have been a WASTED
EFFORT if this new plan goes through since I would have had extra
privileges anyway.


Brian, I understand your sentiment as I partly feel the same way, but
from what you have said above, it does appear that you place perhaps a bit
more value in your accomplishment in getting the license, and maybe a bit
too little in just enjoying the hobby?

Ed WB6SAT

"Ed G." wrote in message
. ..


The point is not that wanting qualified operators to have CW or any
other radio-related skill is done for any reason of elitism, it is
that it USED to take much effort to EARN a license. portion snipped
But I was glad I spent the time because it really meant something to
pass the tests. Now, I realize that it will have been a WASTED
EFFORT if this new plan goes through since I would have had extra
privileges anyway.


Brian, I understand your sentiment as I partly feel the same way, but
from what you have said above, it does appear that you place perhaps a bit
more value in your accomplishment in getting the license, and maybe a bit
too little in just enjoying the hobby?

Ed WB6SAT

Thats not fair at all Ed. Brian is correct in what he says. We DID have
to work much harder. And it just is not right. Period.

Dan/W4NTI

"Brian Bailey" wrote in message
...

"Helmut" wrote in message
...
.....
what are you guys going to do, if you hear a station from lets say VK,
GB,
DL, HB9, and many others, among them rare DX countries? First thing to
ask
wether or not they did pass the CW Test? and then not continuing the
QSO??
Would this be polite? hamlike? How would your reaction be if some DX ham
offends you like that?


The point is not that wanting qualified operators to have CW or any other
radio-related skill is done for any reason of elitism, it is that it USED
to take much effort to EARN a license. Now you can get the answers to
memorize for a few (far too few) questions and "earn" a license with only
a
few days of "study". Those of us who took the exams at the FCC offices
without any chance of helpful hints, winks or nudges by those giving the
exam do not like seeing all our efforts wasted. I had a lot of trouble
and
spent many, many hours studying to pass the 20 WPM test. I don't even
like
CW operation very much. But I was glad I spent the time because it really
meant something to pass the tests. Now, I realize that it will have been
a
WASTED EFFORT if this new plan goes through since I would have had extra
privileges anyway.

10-4 good buddy, I guess I might as well sell my linears at the nearest
truck stop.
---- Brian




No Brian it is not a wasted effort on your part. You did it the right way.
You didn't whine and bitch and moan until the testing was dumbed down to the
lowest denominator.

Unfortunatly this country is showing the rest of the world how NOT to do
things. If this sort of attitude persists we will cease to be a power on
this planet. And I don't mean military power.

I too had considered tossing it all away. But I won't. I am too dedicated
to the service to do that.

I will 'attempt' to show and if needed, to correct those that want to drag
the service downward to the level of CB.

I think this may actually help us CW types out. I expect a lot of folks
will be dragging out the keys to re-enter what they know was ham radio.

Dan/W4NTI