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You're not a real ham if you if you keep advocating killing the ARS
Regarding Ham Hobby :
.... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- .... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... Jack "Slow Code" wrote in message ink.net... "an old freind" wrote in oups.com: cmdr buzz corey wrote: an old idiot wrote: sure it is a hobby with service related aspects rather the Boy Scouts are supposed to be Cite one place in part 97, which defines amateur radio, where it is called a hobby. red herring alert Part 97 does not define Ham radio, Part 97 defines the rules WE define Ham radio And you want ham radio defined like CB. Ten-Four Good-buddy? Dumbing things down cheapens it, and destroys others enjoyment. Look at the childish bull**** you do in RRAP. You and the other rejects drove everyone away with all your retarded bathroom hummor. That's want will happen with on our HF bands, as it sounds more and more like CB, good hams will give up on it and leave. Many already have. Sc |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:36:37 GMT, Slow Code wrote:
And people shouldn't have to learn multiplication tables because we have calculators now. Why learn arithmetic or math at all? Spelling and grammar seem to be old-fashioned. Letz ghuct spel theengs thu wae thay soun. Maybe we can even make ourselves understood once in a great while that way. Digital modes are great - for someone who spells the words you understand the way you were taught to spell them. CW seems to work no matter what the accent or native tongue. But people don't want to learn digital modes either - it's just one of those things that sounds like a good argument until you actually look at it. How many hams can actually read a waterfall display for anything but PSK? And not that many can even do that. |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
Al Klein wrote: On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:36:37 GMT, Slow Code wrote: And people shouldn't have to learn multiplication tables because we have calculators now. Why learn arithmetic or math at all? Spelling and grammar seem to be old-fashioned. Letz ghuct spel theengs thu wae thay soun. Maybe we can even make ourselves understood once in a great while that way. indeed sir consist spelling is something that is barely more half again as old as radio Digital modes are great - for someone who spells the words you understand the way you were taught to spell them. CW seems to work no matter what the accent or native tongue. funny thing that property how all the cw people claim they can't read text the monet it is mispelled but they can read CW all the time no matter the lang But people don't want to learn digital modes either - it's just one of those things that sounds like a good argument until you actually look at it. How many hams can actually read a waterfall display for anything but PSK? And not that many can even do that. really then why I am racking EME qso's my station needs ground gain to complete the contacts so I get only about 40 minute at moon rise and moon set but I have bagged a QSO everytime I have tried (and near the New Moon at that) |
You're not a real ham if you if you keep advocating killing the ARS
Jack Ricci wrote: Regarding Ham Hobby : ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... maybe sent that Slow code otherwise known as Mr Stupid (his own choice of nick will getit but I doubt it Jack "Slow Code" wrote in message ink.net... "an old freind" wrote in oups.com: cmdr buzz corey wrote: an old idiot wrote: sure it is a hobby with service related aspects rather the Boy Scouts are supposed to be Cite one place in part 97, which defines amateur radio, where it is called a hobby. red herring alert Part 97 does not define Ham radio, Part 97 defines the rules WE define Ham radio And you want ham radio defined like CB. Ten-Four Good-buddy? Dumbing things down cheapens it, and destroys others enjoyment. Look at the childish bull**** you do in RRAP. You and the other rejects drove everyone away with all your retarded bathroom hummor. That's want will happen with on our HF bands, as it sounds more and more like CB, good hams will give up on it and leave. Many already have. Sc |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
Al Klein wrote:
Wrong. I want ham radio to stop being what it's been for the last couple of decades - CB on different frequencies. There are CBers who are competent communications engineers, but the majority today - CB or ham band - want to buy a radio and put it on the air. And what is wrong with that? Any license requirement is just an annoyance they get around any way they can - except by actually studying and learning enough to pass tests. How does "passing tests" going to eliminate the problem? Take a close look at a General test from the 50s and one from today. The difference isn't that the current one dropped old technical questions and added equivalent questions about modern modes - it's How does memorizing answers to "technical questions" make you a better ham? that the current test has dropped the technical requirement low enough that it's a joke. Everyone says that CW is old hat and modern modes At least we agree on something and nice to see you admit that everyone is now saying this. have replaced it. Okay - let's see a question asking for a PSK interface schematic, including full isolation. That's just simple audio and DC stuff. Yup, it is a simple circuit. It's also readily available in books, the Internet, etc., so how does memorizing the circuit to pass a test, make you a better ham? Let's have questions on Rayleigh fading and its effect on maximum usable baud rate at various frequencies, so no one complains about the FCC not giving us permission to run 9600 bps on 20. Modern stuff. "Rayleigh Fading" - that comes up in daily discussions on the radio. Never heard anyone complaining about not being able to run 9600 baud on HF - who the heck to you hang around with? And no more published answers. Why not? Memorizing answers has people learning just like reading a book. Learning is learning. Then let's see how many people talk about "modern" and how many yell "too difficult - there's no reason to know all this stuff". That's true, many of the things I had to learn for my test in the 1970s was worthless in my opinion. But it was conceived by people who had the same outdated opinion as you. Let's get people communicating and not continue to figure out ways to make it so hard that new people do not come into the service. Here's the choice for kids today. Learn code and other crap to get a license to use a ham radio - or - get on the Internet immediately where everyone is and communicate with them. Guess what choice is being made Al - it's a no brainer and why our testing should be a no brainer. Which is why, on SWL fora, you'll see people complaining that they listened all day on 4.2 MHz and only heard noise. Or tried to get some foreign broadcast station up above 15 MHz all night and couldn't. So what? They will seek out the answers and learn on their own. It's the "why doesn't this work, and don't give me any of that technical BS" syndrome. People don't want to know how things work, You know that's true and some will seek answers, others won't. or why they don't work, but they're angry that they don't. And don't you dare tell anyone it's his fault for trying to receive a 440 repeater 80 miles away with a 1/4 wave antenna 5 feet off the ground. I won't because those discussions never come up in our area. Where the heck do you live that you have these discussions with so many people? Arkansas or Mississippi? His friend, just 3 doors down, copies the repeater S9+ (with a dual 11 element beam 75 feet in the air and LMR600 coax). Now, without any technical BS or monetary expenditure, what does he have to do to receive it? Something tells me he'll figure it out on his own, via another ham, the Internet, etc. and he'll learn - learning without being forced is a wonderful thing. It's not that no one ever pulled that stuff 50 years ago - Yup, that's true, and all those strict technical tests back then did not prevent this from occuring. but it was so far in the minority that it was below the noise level. Today it's the majority of newcomers. No proof of that statement Al. Just something in your own mind. "I have a right to use the public airwaves, and I don't want to have to learn anything." Is this a great country or what? |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:35:37 -0400, "J. D. B."
wrote: Al Klein wrote: So which is *really* the best gauge to model? Is it okay if you buy kits, or aren't you a real rail hobbyist unless you make at least all your cars from scratch? Or do you have to build your own engines from scratch too? Etc., etc. No Al, those are not arguments that take place with the model train hobby. The best scale is what is best for you. Unlike ham radio, no one tries to ram something down another hobbyist's throat. Same for buy vs. build. Not a discussion. You do what you want to do and no one is critical of the other. The way it should be in ham radio. That's the way it *is* in ham radio if you look at it through the same glasses you're looking at model railroading through. You want to use different scales to weigh the same thing, then claim it weighs a different amount? Sorry, but I don't play that game. |
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You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:51:19 -0400, "J. D. B."
wrote: Al Klein wrote: Wrong. I want ham radio to stop being what it's been for the last couple of decades - CB on different frequencies. There are CBers who are competent communications engineers, but the majority today - CB or ham band - want to buy a radio and put it on the air. And what is wrong with that? What's wrong with ham radio being turned into CB? For one thing, we already had a couple of citizen's bands - we didn't need a dozen more. Any license requirement is just an annoyance they get around any way they can - except by actually studying and learning enough to pass tests. How does "passing tests" going to eliminate the problem? For them? It's not. If they can't pass the test they don't get the privilege. That's just the way life is. If you're not 75 inches tall, we don't let you be 6'3". These days some people want to be what they aren't, regardless of reality. Giving ham licenses to anyone who wants one doesn't make hams of people who know nothing, it makes the ham license worthless. Take a close look at a General test from the 50s and one from today. The difference isn't that the current one dropped old technical questions and added equivalent questions about modern modes - it's How does memorizing answers to "technical questions" make you a better ham? I said it doesn't. I said that learning makes you more knowledgeable. that the current test has dropped the technical requirement low enough that it's a joke. Everyone says that CW is old hat and modern modes At least we agree on something and nice to see you admit that everyone is now saying this. That thing passing over your head was the point. have replaced it. Okay - let's see a question asking for a PSK interface schematic, including full isolation. That's just simple audio and DC stuff. Yup, it is a simple circuit. It's also readily available in books, the Internet, etc., so how does memorizing the circuit to pass a test, make you a better ham? Understanding how it works makes you more knowledgeable. Evidently you're one of those who needs things repeated a few times. Let's have questions on Rayleigh fading and its effect on maximum usable baud rate at various frequencies, so no one complains about the FCC not giving us permission to run 9600 bps on 20. Modern stuff. "Rayleigh Fading" - that comes up in daily discussions on the radio. Never heard anyone complaining about not being able to run 9600 baud on HF - who the heck to you hang around with? You never listened to QSOs on 20? Or questions asked at ham club meetings? Or in radio fora? And no more published answers. Why not? Memorizing answers has people learning just like reading a book. Learning is learning. Learning requires understanding. Memorizing isn't understanding. It was proved over 100 years ago that rote memorization isn't even a mediocre way of teaching. Then let's see how many people talk about "modern" and how many yell "too difficult - there's no reason to know all this stuff". That's true, many of the things I had to learn for my test in the 1970s was worthless in my opinion. But it was conceived by people who had the same outdated opinion as you. Let's get people communicating and not continue to figure out ways to make it so hard that new people do not come into the service. Here's the choice for kids today. Learn code and other crap to get a license to use a ham radio - or - get on the Internet immediately where everyone is and communicate with them. Guess what choice is being made Al - it's a no brainer and why our testing should be a no brainer. So let them get on radio immediately with no testing. The method has been available since the 60s. IT'S CALLED CB! You want HF? Get on 11 meters. You want UHF? Get on 465. It's all there. And leave ham radio to hams. Which is why, on SWL fora, you'll see people complaining that they listened all day on 4.2 MHz and only heard noise. Or tried to get some foreign broadcast station up above 15 MHz all night and couldn't. So what? They will seek out the answers and learn on their own. Or, as has happened over the past few decades, they won't. But now that you said they will ... magic ... they will, eh? It's the "why doesn't this work, and don't give me any of that technical BS" syndrome. People don't want to know how things work, You know that's true and some will seek answers, others won't. So those who seek answers become hams - those who don't become CBers. What's with the "everyone is equal even if the only way to achieve it is to dumb the entire world down" crap? or why they don't work, but they're angry that they don't. And don't you dare tell anyone it's his fault for trying to receive a 440 repeater 80 miles away with a 1/4 wave antenna 5 feet off the ground. I won't because those discussions never come up in our area. Where the heck do you live that you have these discussions with so many people? In the real world. His friend, just 3 doors down, copies the repeater S9+ (with a dual 11 element beam 75 feet in the air and LMR600 coax). Now, without any technical BS or monetary expenditure, what does he have to do to receive it? Something tells me he'll figure it out on his own, via another ham, the Internet, etc. and he'll learn - learning without being forced is a wonderful thing. Demanding answers without putting in any effort seems to have substituted for learning. It's not that no one ever pulled that stuff 50 years ago - Yup, that's true, and all those strict technical tests back then did not prevent this from occuring. but it was so far in the minority that it was below the noise level. Today it's the majority of newcomers. No proof of that statement Al. Just something in your own mind. About like everything you've said here. "I have a right to use the public airwaves, and I don't want to have to learn anything." Is this a great country or what? Yes, if you're in the bottom 10%, it must surely look that way. You get to be in the top 10% merely because that's the way you want things to be, and heaven help the rest of us if we don't give you your way. |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
Al Klein wrote: On 26 Jul 2006 04:39:18 -0700, wrote: No, stupid, you are making excuses for your lack of education. Wrong, you illiterate retard. The only moonbouncing you are doing is your three chins on your daddy's ass as you give him a blowjob. So much for "education". and that was posted by an extra class Ham AB8MQ AL |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
an old freind wrote: Al Klein wrote: On 26 Jul 2006 04:39:18 -0700, wrote: No, stupid, you are making excuses for your lack of education. Wrong, you illiterate retard. The only moonbouncing you are doing is your three chins on your daddy's ass as you give him a blowjob. So much for "education". and that was posted by an extra class Ham AB8MQ AL AB8MQ is Morkie's unrequited queer love interst, Al. |
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It's just another thing in this world that got "dumbed down". I blame home computers and the internet. I'm not saying wether we are better of worse off. That's just what I attribute it to. John |
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You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
I blame home computers and the internet.
"Eddie Munster" wrote in message news:qoPxg.47800 I agree...But today's kids just don't have the aptitude or need for a hobby that was once the only active hobby which instantly joined others around the entire world with the same common interest on a technical level, as well as a communications level, and a sense of accomplishment. There are simply too many other high-tech hobbies to choose from today. TV video games come to mind...Satellite TV and communications, cell phones, FRS radio,XM radio, cheap long distance, DVDs, Ipods, etc., etc., etc., etc. ... It's just another thing in this world that got "dumbed down". I blame home computers and the internet. I'm not saying wether we are better of worse off. That's just what I attribute it to. John |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
AB8MQ is Morkie's unrequited queer love interst, Al.
wrote in message ups.com... WOW!!! Who would have thought that the internet would soon become a vehicle for High-Tech C.B. communication! Good thing linears don't work on here! Jack an old freind wrote: Al Klein wrote: On 26 Jul 2006 04:39:18 -0700, wrote: No, stupid, you are making excuses for your lack of education. Wrong, you illiterate retard. The only moonbouncing you are doing is your three chins on your daddy's ass as you give him a blowjob. So much for "education". and that was posted by an extra class Ham AB8MQ AL AB8MQ is Morkie's unrequited queer love interst, Al. |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
Jack Ricci wrote: AB8MQ is Morkie's unrequited queer love interst, Al. wrote in message ups.com... WOW!!! Who would have thought that the internet would soon become a vehicle for High-Tech C.B. communication! Good thing linears don't work on here! Jack in point of fact they do the method is different it can be observed by studing RRAP lately the Linear (slptter box box design) work be the sender sending the same sort of crap (so and so is rapist child moelstor so on) over and over again till the target either gives up the net or is forced to repond with something (in my case I have tried suggesting the jammer "get help" now I am trying praying for him) |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
"J. D. B." wrote in
: No Al, those are not arguments that take place with the model train hobby. The best scale is what is best for you. Unlike ham radio, no one tries to ram something down another hobbyist's throat. Same for buy vs. build. Not a discussion. You do what you want to do and no one is critical of the other. The way it should be in ham radio. You were that kid on the playground that always thought you were better than all the other kids and you tried to get other kids in fights didn't you Al? You seem to be always looking for confrontation. I think you're sniffing too much glue putting your model cho-cho trains together. Sc |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
Slow Code wrote: "J. D. B." wrote in : No Al, those are not arguments that take place with the model train hobby. The best scale is what is best for you. Unlike ham radio, no one tries to ram something down another hobbyist's throat. Same for buy vs. build. Not a discussion. You do what you want to do and no one is critical of the other. The way it should be in ham radio. You were that kid on the playground that always thought you were better than all the other kids and you tried to get other kids in fights didn't you Al? You seem to be always looking for confrontation. I think you're sniffing too much glue putting your model cho-cho trains together. you think SC prove that assertion (that you think) t appears to be flase Sc |
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**** OFF ALREADY WITH HAM ****!
TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE NOT HERE! AND BESIDE WHO GIVE **** ABOUT AMATEUR RADIO ASSHOLES WHO THINK THEIR ALL STUCK UP AND THINK THEY RULE THE WORLD an_old_friend wrote: Slow Code wrote: "J. D. B." wrote in : No Al, those are not arguments that take place with the model train hobby. The best scale is what is best for you. Unlike ham radio, no one tries to ram something down another hobbyist's throat. Same for buy vs. build. Not a discussion. You do what you want to do and no one is critical of the other. The way it should be in ham radio. You were that kid on the playground that always thought you were better than all the other kids and you tried to get other kids in fights didn't you Al? You seem to be always looking for confrontation. I think you're sniffing too much glue putting your model cho-cho trains together. you think SC prove that assertion (that you think) t appears to be flase Sc --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0630-2, 07/26/2006 Tested on: 7/27/2006 2:41:02 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0630-2, 07/26/2006 Tested on: 7/27/2006 2:42:19 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
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You know, this is the attitude that has kept me from being a licensed ham
operator. I have DX'ed for years, but find most of the operators to be smug asses who want to keep the hobby to themselves. I have no need to learn code, or more importantly, no desire. So you old fossils keep your exclusive little club and watch as it dies out with rotary telephones and vacuum tubes. Every ham I have met in person has been secretive and not at all willing to help anyone out. I sold a scope to one a few years back and in our conversation asked a few questions about becoming a ham. He was not willing to answer questions nor offer any advice, just for me to get an arrl book. He wouldn't even tell me what the repeater frequencies were for the 2 meter in our area. So, lets make the passing score 98%, 50wpm, and renew all classes every year. That ought to drive out the rest of 'em and keep you, Mr. Slow Code, as the king of all hams, even if you have no subjects to reign over. Come to think of it, I can talk to people all over the world via internet, send packets and slow scan tv, so why worry about propagation and antennae? "Slow Code" wrote in message nk.net... Just thought you should know that. Help save Ham radio and ignore Markie to save usenet. Thanks 1- No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and pass all elements required for their license class every ten years. 2- The passing score for written exams needs to be raised to 85%. 3- Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for Extra. 4- Make the no-code license one year non-renewable. 5- Cancel your ARRL membership until they decide to work to improve things and stop them from proposing ham radio that is like CB. |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
Blow Code, no more damage to my brain then the lead you are breathing in
when putting together your little radios with solder. But then again, the collector trains come pre-assembled so no glue is involved. One nice thing, the increase in value of some of these is incredible. Paid $20 each for two railcars. Now I am offered $400 for each of them. Not a bad hobby at all now is it. Don't believe me? Check the prices for Micro-Trains Illinois state cars (first in the series). Are trains a great hobby or what? Slow Code wrote: I think you're sniffing too much glue putting your model cho-cho trains together. Sc |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
Man, I went to a Train Show near me recently, I was AMAZED. I didn't know so
much Train Hobby stuff existed. WOW!!!!! Speaking of prices - all my train stuff went by the way side in a disaster. One "engine" I had - I seen at this show for $1400.00........ Man what a sinking feeling I had. I'm sure my dad didn't pay anywhere near "that". This was my "first" train show - as I was going to the Computer show adjoining it in the same hall. I think the train show had more customers than the Computer show. Some of the "Computer" vendors even related to such. Lou "J. D. B." wrote in message ... Blow Code, no more damage to my brain then the lead you are breathing in when putting together your little radios with solder. But then again, the collector trains come pre-assembled so no glue is involved. One nice thing, the increase in value of some of these is incredible. Paid $20 each for two railcars. Now I am offered $400 for each of them. Not a bad hobby at all now is it. Don't believe me? Check the prices for Micro-Trains Illinois state cars (first in the series). Are trains a great hobby or what? Slow Code wrote: I think you're sniffing too much glue putting your model cho-cho trains together. Sc |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
Tim wrote: So you old fossils keep your exclusive little club and watch as it dies out with rotary telephones and vacuum tubes. Out of curiosity, how old (years) is a fossil to you? Really. Every ham I have met in person has been secretive Strange, all the ones I have meet have been very nice. Come to think of it, I can talk to people all over the world via internet, send packets and slow scan tv, so why worry about propagation and antennae? Well if you are really just after instant gratification and no real sense of accomplishment, go for it. Some like the challanges. I suppose it is the cahllange aspect to a hobby that makes it fun. Like model building perhaps. I haven't meet a ham who got into it because he wanted fast and easy. These other hams you met, did you make it clear what you expected out of the hobby? John |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
Al Klein wrote:
What's wrong with ham radio being turned into CB? For one thing, we already had a couple of citizen's bands - we didn't need a dozen more. CB is dead. Turning it into CB is a meaningless statement. Your knowledge of CB is going back way too far when it was chaos. Again, you do not know what you are talking about as you are making references that are very old and very outdated - just like CW and code testing. For them? It's not. If they can't pass the test they don't get the privilege. That's just the way life is. If you're not 75 inches tall, we don't let you be 6'3". These days some people want to be what they aren't, regardless of reality. Giving ham licenses to anyone who wants one doesn't make hams of people who know nothing, it makes the ham license worthless. Why not give a license to anyone who wants one? It's just not that big of deal anymore. We are not dealing with lethal voltages like we did with all the tube crap used years ago. How does memorizing answers to "technical questions" make you a better ham? I said it doesn't. I said that learning makes you more knowledgeable. That's true, learning does make you more knowledgeable. People can learn on their own, learn what interests them, learn what they need to know. Not what you or I THINK they need to know. Everyone says that CW is old hat and modern modes At least we agree on something and nice to see you admit that everyone is now saying this. That thing passing over your head was the point. No, I got the point o.k. You admit CW is old hat. Yup, it is a simple circuit. It's also readily available in books, the Internet, etc., so how does memorizing the circuit to pass a test, make you a better ham? Understanding how it works makes you more knowledgeable. Evidently you're one of those who needs things repeated a few times. What if I don't care to know how it works? Most women and many men have no idea how a car engine, transmission and car computer works, but they still get a license to drive. By your standards I guess people need to know how their television, AM and FM radio, etc. works before they are allowed to purchase such an item....hmmmm? You never listened to QSOs on 20? Or questions asked at ham club meetings? Or in radio fora? Yup, I have listened to and have many QSOs on all ham bands. And most of the crap you profess to be discussed is simply not generally discussed. Learning requires understanding. Memorizing isn't understanding. It was proved over 100 years ago that rote memorization isn't even a mediocre way of teaching. Yes and no, depends what it trying to be learned. Memorization can be learning. People learn what they WANT and NEED to learn. No one ever truly learns by having something forced on them. "A man convinced against his will is still of the same opinion." So let them get on radio immediately with no testing. The method has been available since the 60s. IT'S CALLED CB! You want HF? Get on 11 meters. You want UHF? Get on 465. It's all there. Same old tired CB argument again....yawn.....Yes, you can get on CB, Family Radio, GMRS and guess what, you can operate a radio and communicate without a test and the world does not come to an end. And leave ham radio to hams. If you get a ham license, no matter how simple the test or no test, you are a ham and you can use the appropriate bands for your license class. Let's get more people into the service and hobby, let them explore and learn what they want - not what you want them to learn. Or, as has happened over the past few decades, they won't. But now that you said they will ... magic ... they will, eh? Oh but yes they do. Some more than others. Your statement is baseless and simply an opinion. So is mine. A gratuitous statement can be refuted by an equally gratuitous statement. So those who seek answers become hams - those who don't become CBers. What's with the "everyone is equal even if the only way to achieve it is to dumb the entire world down" crap? No, those with a ham license are hams. Those without a ham license are not hams. It's just that simple. Yup, dumb it down and bring them all in. In the real world. O.K. then, it's Mississippi. Demanding answers without putting in any effort seems to have substituted for learning. I guess. This is the opinion of many old fart gate keeper hams, "I had to pass a test to get a ham license and it was hard. So everyone else needs to have to do what I did or it's dumbing down the license." Yes it might be dumbing down the license. But because you had to do it, doesn't mean it's right for the world today. Things are changing. Times are changing. If you cannot deal with change, then just give up on life because change is inevitable. About like everything you've said here. See my rule of logic about gratuitous statements as noted above. Yes, if you're in the bottom 10%, it must surely look that way. You get to be in the top 10% merely because that's the way you want things to be, and heaven help the rest of us if we don't give you your way. Yes, wouldn't a classless society be nice? Everyone treated equally? Probably will never happen as it did not work for Russia and the Eastern Bloc, but do we really need to have haves and have nots when it comes to a hobby and a public service? I don't think so. |
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Al Klein wrote:
That's the way it *is* in ham radio if you look at it through the same glasses you're looking at model railroading through. You want to use different scales to weigh the same thing, then claim it weighs a different amount? Sorry, but I don't play that game. Gosh Al, you really have a sour perspective of the world. No wonder all your writings are so anger filled. |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
J. D. B. wrote: Al Klein wrote: Or, as has happened over the past few decades, they won't. But now that you said they will ... magic ... they will, eh? Oh but yes they do. Some more than others. Your statement is baseless and simply an opinion. So is mine. A gratuitous statement can be refuted by an equally gratuitous statement. Demanding answers without putting in any effort seems to have substituted for learning. I guess. This is the opinion of many old fart gate keeper hams, "I had to pass a test to get a ham license and it was hard. So everyone else needs to have to do what I did or it's dumbing down the license." and maybe the test took was harder than it had any real reason to be if that was the case I am sorry but that is no reason to keep making or rather go back to making the SAME mistake |
You're not a real ham if you if you keep advocating killing the ARS
Slow Code wrote: "an old freind" wrote in oups.com: cmdr buzz corey wrote: an old idiot wrote: sure it is a hobby with service related aspects rather the Boy Scouts are supposed to be Cite one place in part 97, which defines amateur radio, where it is called a hobby. red herring alert Part 97 does not define Ham radio, Part 97 defines the rules WE define Ham radio And you want ham radio defined like CB. Ten-Four Good-buddy? Dumbing things down cheapens it, and destroys others enjoyment. Look at the childish bull**** you do in RRAP. You and the other rejects drove everyone away with all your retarded bathroom hummor. That's want will happen with on our HF bands, as it sounds more and more like CB, good hams will give up on it and leave. Many already have. When people like two-test wogie and an_old_idiot can get a ticket, you can't hold out much hope for ham radio. |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
an old freind wrote: J. D. B. wrote: Al Klein wrote: Or, as has happened over the past few decades, they won't. But now that you said they will ... magic ... they will, eh? Oh but yes they do. Some more than others. Your statement is baseless and simply an opinion. So is mine. A gratuitous statement can be refuted by an equally gratuitous statement. Demanding answers without putting in any effort seems to have substituted for learning. I guess. This is the opinion of many old fart gate keeper hams, "I had to pass a test to get a ham license and it was hard. So everyone else needs to have to do what I did or it's dumbing down the license." and maybe the test took was harder than it had any real reason to be BWHAHAHAHAHA You couldn't read or comprehend it even so, retard. "Test took" BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! if that was the case I am sorry You sure are a sorry sack of ****, Markie. |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
Not Cocksucker Lloyd wrote: may the lord bless and grant you pecae from the mental illness that traps you |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
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You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
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You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
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You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
news.vif.com wrote: **** OFF ALREADY ABOUT AMATEUR RADIO ****! the problem ARS content the problem is the nut job that think sexaulity has something to ARS licensing and raves on and on about it wrote: an old freid to some a nightmare to steve wrote: wrote: bearing false witness is a sin wismen |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
IF YOU WANT TALK ABOUT AMATEUR RADIO GO ****EN TO LITTLE WORLD
REC.RADIO.AMATEUR RADIO. an old freind wrote: news.vif.com wrote: **** OFF ALREADY ABOUT AMATEUR RADIO ****! the problem ARS content the problem is the nut job that think sexaulity has something to ARS licensing and raves on and on about it wrote: an old freid to some a nightmare to steve wrote: wrote: bearing false witness is a sin wismen --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0631-0, 07/31/2006 Tested on: 8/1/2006 1:08:09 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0631-0, 07/31/2006 Tested on: 8/1/2006 1:10:38 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
news.vif.com wrote: IF YOU WANT TALK ABOUT AMATEUR RADIO GO ****EN TO LITTLE WORLD REC.RADIO.AMATEUR RADIO. doesn't help indeed to discuss Ham radio you have some oscure corner of the net after Wismen thinks it is discussing ham radio to call everyone a child molestor |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
an old freind wrote: get helps sicko ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Morkie the supposed college graduate makes good sentence! BWHAHAHAHA! |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
DROP SUBJECT! WHO GIVES **** ABOUG AMATEUR RADIO ****!
wrote: an old freind wrote: get helps sicko ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Morkie the supposed college graduate makes good sentence! BWHAHAHAHA! --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0631-1, 08/01/2006 Tested on: 8/1/2006 11:16:52 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0631-1, 08/01/2006 Tested on: 8/1/2006 11:17:27 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
an old freind wrote: news.vif.com wrote: IF YOU WANT TALK ABOUT AMATEUR RADIO GO ****EN TO LITTLE WORLD REC.RADIO.AMATEUR RADIO. doesn't help indeed to discuss Ham radio you have some oscure corner of Post in English, stupid. the net after Wismen thinks it is discussing ham radio to call everyone a child molestor But you are a child molester, Morkie. |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
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You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
AMATEUR RADIO ****???? There's a scat club for ham radio now??? Where can I
sign up??? I LOVE SCAT PLAY!!! "news.vif.com" wrote in message ... DROP SUBJECT! WHO GIVES **** ABOUG AMATEUR RADIO ****! wrote: an old freind wrote: get helps sicko ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Morkie the supposed college graduate makes good sentence! BWHAHAHAHA! --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0631-1, 08/01/2006 Tested on: 8/1/2006 11:16:52 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0631-1, 08/01/2006 Tested on: 8/1/2006 11:17:27 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
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