RadioBanter - View Single Post - Element 1, Code vs. No-code, and Dad

October 29th 03, 05:36 PM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (N2EY)
writes:

Try not to strain yourself putting words into others' messages.

What "words have I put in others messages", Len?

Those following -

It's clear from your many, many posts here that you want amateur radio to
become a multiband version of cb.

That's just your DELUSION and fantasy.

Not at all. It's the sum total of what you've been preaching here for
years and years. It explains the motive behind every single post
you've made here.

You rail against "rank, status and privilege", and you make it clear you want
one class of license, or no licenses at all.

I've never been for "no license at all."

That's why I wrote: "one class of license, or no licenses at all".

So you want one class of license - just like cb used to have.

You're against any sort of standards, values, or traditions in amateur radio.

I'm not interested in the standards, values or traditions of the
Archaic Radiotelegraphy Service.

What is the "Archaic Radiotelegraphy Service"?

You obviously don't want any sort of standards, values, or traditions
in amateur radio - again, just like cb.

You're constantly criticizing ARRL without justification, and even accusing
them of fraud - again, with no evidence.

Plenty of evidence of hypocrisy, false "representation," no verification
of their alleged ability to "know what is best for amateur radio."

You have presented no evidence of any of that, just League-bashing
based on your obvious desire for amateur to be without a strong
national organization. Cb never had a strong national organization....

You deny the homebrewing success of others, and the public service
contributions of radio amateurs.

I've never "denied it," delusional fellow.

Yes, you have. When you repeatedly tell untruths about others'
projects, even when corrected, that's denial. Or lying - take your
pick.

You've never offered proof YOUR wonderful amazing state-of-the-art
homebrew radios worked...or even existed.

You'll just have to take my word for it, Len. Besides, you've made it
quite clear that you would reject any "proof" offered by anyone.

And I've never claimed that any of my homebrew projects were "amazing"
or "state-of-the-art".

Cb did not allow its users to homebrew legally.

Quite clear what you would like amateur radio to become, good buddy ;-)

I'm NOT your "good buddy." Haven't you got your eyes in?

Y'know, Len, with that attitude you're not anyone's good buddy.

I'm simply pointing out where your many complaining posts lead. If all of the
things you complain about were eliminated from amateur radio, it would become
quite like cb. You'd like that, I think.

No,

Yes. It's what you obviously want amateur radio to become. One license
class, no homebrewing, no standards, values or traditions, no strong
national organization, no public service.....

Not much. But by the time I became aware of it, I was repelled by the immature
behavior of some of the users there.

How old were you in 1958?

Figure it out. Oh wait, you couldn't remember how old you were in
1948, nor what screen names you've used in rrap.

How "mature" were you that you could "judge" others?

I didn't encounter cb until about 1965. And I found the on-air
behavior of those involved to be extremely immature. I was mature
enough to know I wanted no part of what I heard on the cb channels. So
I just left it alone.

Who are you to judge others, Len? You don't act very mature in here.
In fact, you act here just like the classic schoolyard bully in search
of attention. Why?

What did YOU do to keep that service from becoming such a wasteland?

Irrelevant.

It's very relevant. You are, or were, a cb user, weren't you?

CB has far too many users for too little bandspace.

So it's not their fault? What about personal responsibility for ones'
actions? I guess you reject that, too. "Oh, there aren't enough
channels, so I'll break all the rules..."

What have YOU done to eliminate CB or reduce all that waste?

Not my concern. I've never been a cb user. As long as those folks
don't have a negative affect on amateur radio, I really don't care
what they do on their channels.

And I've never said I wanted to eliminate cb.

YOU seem to know all, be all, yet do nothing of value except
extoll your own alleged expertise in OLD radio arts.

Len, you just described yourself perfectly.

YOU've had 45 years to correct things.

Not my responsibility, Len. I'm not a cb user. Never have been. All I did was
listen there, and tune away in disgust.

Poor baby. "Disgust," is it? :-)

Yep. Disgust.

I'm know many cb users are fine people, but the service is a mess, has been
for decades, and it was a mistake to have ever been created.

Poor thing. You could have DONE something for the betterment
of mankind in 45 years, yet you have not...

Not my concern, Len.

What have YOU done to fix cb?

Irrelevant.

In this case, I think you're saying "nothing".

What needs to be "fixed?"

Simple - just have the users follow the rules.

Restore it to radio amateurs?

That wouldn't fix it.

You can always file a petition with FCC to abolish CB. Go ahead,
make everyone's day. :-)

Not my concern. Amateur radio is my interest, not cb.

The fact is that the cb mess is partly *your* fault, Len. You have
loudly proclaimed your status as a "PROFESSIONAL IN RADIO!!!!!!!!!!!"
here many, many, many times.

Yet the reason FCC created Class C and Class D (27 MHz) cb was because
Class A and Class B (UHF) cb weren't getting many users, due in large
part to lack of suitable manufactured equipment.

The "PROFESSIONALS IN RADIO!!!!!!!!!!!" couldn't figure out how to
build inexpensive UHF cb radio sets back in the '50s, so FCC created
the 27 MHz version. You "PROFESSIONALS IN RADIO!!!!!!!!!!!" figured
out how to make inexpensive 27 MHz sets. I've seen the schematics of
those sets - they weren't "state of the art" 20 years before they were
manufactured. But you "PROFESSIONALS IN RADIO!!!!!!!!!!!" made them,
so the users bought them. And misused them. The rest is history.

It wasn't hams who made a mess of 11 meters. It was "PROFESSIONALS IN
RADIO!!!!!!!!!!!" like you, Len. Now you want to do the same thing to
amateur radio. No thanks.

It might be done some time. It only took 24 years to make the first
dent in the 40m problem with SW BC interfering with the "rightful
ownership by hams" there. :-)

You can't even get the history of that problem right, Len.