"N2EY" wrote in message
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In article , Mike Coslo writes:

N2EY wrote:
And his views do not reflect those of NCI...yeah, I know.

No, they do not.

NCI's mission in the USA is to get rid of Element 1, nothing else.
If/when
FCC dumps all code testing in the USA, NCI will cease to function in
the
USA.

So I've heard. We shall see. Organizations have a way of morphing, and
are notoriously resistant to organizational self dissolving.

I think they mean it.

As one of their directors, I certainly mean it...although the objective of
NCI
is not solely focused on USA morse testing alone.

That mission is demonstrated by NCI's petition, which asks FCC to drop
all
code
testing as a requirement, merge Tech and Tech Plus, and....nothing
else.

Just ask Carl or Bill.

See Bill's comment above... :-).

Len wants just one class of license.

From what I can gather, I'm not so sure he wants any license, or at
least the equivalent of that.

In a recent post where I pointed out that Len wants amateur radio to
essentially become a multiband high power version of cb, he denied wanting
no
license at all. Then he railed about multiple license classes. Logical
conclusion (if one can ever apply logic to his posts here) is that he
wants one
class of license.

Look up the post - couple days ago, aimed at me, something about needing
multiple classes of license for egos or some tripe like that.

"Testing for the Amateur Radio Service is...(snip)

Who the heck wrote *that*?? Not me! Not Hans or Carl, either!

Where's it from??

That is something that I came up with while I was typing out the reply.

It has a number of qualities that would appeal to some people that are
in power now:

Put it away before the wrong person reads it and takes it seriously!

It speaks to lowering or elimination of regulations. This is a very big
thing with some people. It relates itself to the "The government that
governs best governs least" worldview.

Yep.

It speaks to the continuance of a process that has been going on for a
few years now where less constraints have been put on radio
broadcasters. A disaster IMO, but to some a great thing. I'm talking
about relaxation of broadcaster regs, leading to outfits like Clear
channel owning all the radio stations in town. But as I say, there are
plenty who would think that this would be good.

Mike Powell is one of them.

Spin city, IOW. It is ridiculous, but ridiculous can sell big
sometimes.

To some people it's not ridiculous. Look how many books Ann Coulter and
Rush
Limbaugh have sold....

You think THAT wouldn't sell with some people in power? Another chance
to diss the hated regulators.

boo...hissss....


Here is what I think it means (to some):

I know people who think that they are "high tech" because they use a
cell phone. Or a computer. Or a GPS reciever. They might not be able to
explain how any of those things work, but by just using them, they
consider themselves high tech. I never asked, but I would be that they
would take one look at my IC-745 with it's 30 some buttons and knobs,
and conclude that just knowing how to operate it was a major bit of
"primarily a technically oriented service"

They oughta try to use the Southgate Type 7....

Oh-Oh! A percon of average intelligence could indeed learn to operate
my
rig if they read the manual. NO test required!

There ya go!

No test to use a computer....

Perhaps I should have said "fight successfully"

We'll sure try.

And that leads us back to a question I posed a while back. Why didn't
the peolpe who were officially agitating for the elimination of the
Morse code test have some simultaneous proposals to fill the vacuum that
would be created when the requirement went away?. It's called
responsibillity.

Because they didn't think it needed to be replaced with anything.

And here we DO have some people with some ideas, who ARE making
proposals. Who are they?

A committee of NCVEC.

No doubt there ARE plenty.

I hope there aren't. I don't see how my discussing a paper that is
already
in the public domain on a website is going to change people's minds to
agree
with said paper.

In the words of the great Flip Wilson (as Geraldine Jones):

"the DEVIL made me do it!"

Of course it doesn't. The whole concept of your devil's advocacy
serving as the seed for a no-test movement is at best amusing.

And at worst, possible.

More likely you are making some people feel very uncomfortable.
Certainly my questions make some people unconfortable.

If you want to make people hate you, cause them to think....

But Jim, I think you are just being set up to
take the blame here. Once the movement has gained momentum, it will
just
be one more thing to blame upon those arrogant "Pro-coders".

And it can be said that they were told to be quiet....

And that and 50 cents will get you a down payment on a cup of coffee.
It will be much too late by that time.

Might be already. The trend is in place - has been for a long time.

I've been working up a response to
the KL7CC paper.

I'll be happy to publish said paper on the web.

When I get it done I'll send it to KL7CC and post it here.

73 de Jim, N2EY

How much longer 'till it is done?

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK