"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote in message
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"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message

Your right, what you say don't make it right. However what really
happened
was the UN, by RESOLUTION created the state of Israel. It was carved
out
of Palestine which was being vacated by the British. This was about
1947.

Understood. But what right did the United Nations have to create
a new "state" when the people who were already living on that land,
and had for centuries, were not party to that act? That would be like
my state's legislature re-zoning YOUR neighborhood!

The right of being the United Nations. No other. Apparantly most of the
then member nations agreed. I didn't say it was right.


Of course the fine ragheads were trying to kill all the Jews before that
happened.

And vice-versa. It's a love-hate relationship...Both sides
"love" hating the other side. Made for some sandskrit stories then
and CNN footage now. =)

Remember our fine friends over there now...the Jordanians? They were
marching on the Jews as the Brits left. And if the truth be known the
reason Jordan had the butt is they wanted to be in charge of the Jews,
i.e.
part of the Kingdom of Jordan. And really didn't want the palestinians
anyway. Just like today. Except they don't want to be in charge, they
just hope the Jews don't get the arse and come over and kick theirs.
Ah
how times have changed.

Interesting bit of history.

Secondly, the State of Israel is no stranger to spreading a bit
of terror around itself. If you doubt me, do a bit of research on the
Likud Party and one of it's more famous members, Menachim Begin.
Before he got himself elected Prime Minister and invited to break
bread at Camp David, ole Menachim took some special pleasure in
dispatching Palestinians and British alike. Some of the "tactics" you
may recognize as those that the State of Isreal currently cries foul
over now...

I never claimed the Isralies were sheep or Mr. Nice Guy. You fight fire
with fire, period. It must work....Israel is still here and stronger
than
ever.

But this is my point...where do the Israeli's get off making scuh
a big ta-doo about Palestinian "terrorists" when they are/have been
just as quick to do a bit of artful manipulation of fear themselves?

And they are still around because Uncle Sam has made it his
business to keep Carrier Battle Groups in the Med!

Rest of stuff we agreed on snipped.

Our only valid interest in that region is maintaining the
petroleum flow and free navigation via the Suez Canal. If geological
studies are correct, Russia has petroleum reserves that exceed
anything the Arabs have, so I think rather than sending arms to Israel
and money to the Arabs, we should be investing our engineering
resources farther north. The Arabs would go broke which would
relegate them back to bedouin tents in a generation. No money means
no guns, and the Israelis would no longer need OUR weapons.

Good theory.....but the Israelis don't need OUR weapons. They have
their
own.

True...and danged good ones too...However they what they DO need
is the threat of any one of the aforementioned Carrier Battle Groups
showing up to back up Isael's play...

Yes, the Israeli's have one of the finest Armed Forces in the
world, an intellegence agency that is second to none, and some
seriously big cajones to use them all...But if we weren't propping
them up, I doubt that they'd make it a year.


No arguement here ... however I feel we must continue to support Israel. If
for no other (better) reason then for religious issues. I am not a real hot
to trot bible thumper, btw. This country has a lot in common with the
Isralies. As for their right to call the Palestinians terrorists...why not?
Their leader...Arafat is the founder of the terrorist movement. He is the
one that unleashed it upon the world. So the Israelies and the REST OF THE
WORLD have the right to call them terrorists...because that is exactly what
they are.

Dan/W4NTI

73

Steve, K4YZ