Just a quick reply:

"N2EY" wrote in message
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In article , "Kim"
writes:

Welp, whatever it takes, I suppose...I'm just not a supporter of as much
taxation as there is.

Nobody is - that's the easy part.

What services are you willing to give up in order to have less taxation?
Less
road maintenance and construction? Less police and fire protection? How
about
cutting the military budget? Education? Social Security?
Medicare/Medicaid?


Less road maintenance and construction? For sure. I haven't driven
anywhere in Texas since 1979 without some kind of road maintenance or
construction going on, literally. Don't need it. It's still going to be
congested, there's still going to be accidents, etc. The *only* thing I'd
like to see on the roads here is higher stripes or city titties (as they're
called). When it rains here, can't see the lane markings.

I couldn't be objective with the police and fire protection. I don't live
in an area where I either need a lot of that or see any benefit of it. BUT,
I bet the fat could be trimmed from the departments of both entities and we
could save some money.

Military budget. Again, how much fat and ridiculous spending is there? I
suspect a lot.

Education. Well, let's see. Up north when my kids went to school in the
public school system, I cannot remember ever having to buy their school
supplies when they were in elementary school. Down here, I pay school taxes
PLUS had to spend about $200.00 per kid each year of school up to about 7th
grade, for their school supplies. Go figure. And, again, enough fat
trimming and I bet the taxes wouldn't have had to be as high as they are.

Social Security, in my opinon, is a farce. Do away with it.

Medicare and Medicaid I am happy to provide for my elderly community.
However, again fat trimming probably would save lots of money.


Your post reminds me of the scene in "Simple Life" where Paris Hilton and
Nicole Ritchie are at the checkout counter in the supermarket. The total
is
almost $65 and they only have $50. They bat their eyelashes and ask "Can't
we
just have it?" (I am not making this up).


Don't know why my post reminds you of that. I'd more be saying, "why do we
need the pretty building, the pretty concrete stars on all the bridge
columns, the pretty landscaping along the new highway, the pretty building
with all the way overboard amenities for the high-salaried and
not-so-worth-their-salary mucky mucks in offices that are plush and grand,
etc., blah, blah, blah.

Yep, "why do we need it?"


And, I think Sr. Ctitizens shouldn't have to pay
taxes

Why not?

Many senior citizens have significant incomes, from both employment and
investment. Why should they be exempt? They already get an extra persoanl
exemption just for being over 65.

Tell ya what, Kim - find a senior citizen of "average income" in your area
and
pay his/her taxes out of your own pocket.


Not only no, but hell no. I'd rather see people get ****ed off enough at
the ridiculous spending that goes on with our tax dollars. Trim all the
ridiculous spending, and some of the cuts I am talking about would hardly be
noticed.


and that if that needs to be accommodated, then the school taxes
should be increased during the years of some
hereto-undertemined-age-limit
based timeframe. YMMV

So the people who are struggling to raise and educate their kids, pay for
their
mortgages and their careers need even more of a tax burden?


Did I ask them to "struggle to raise and educate" children? Do I get to
have a say in how many kids they have and how lavishly they raise them?

Keep in mind that even if a person never has children, they still
benefit
from the public education of the community as a whole.

Unless they grew up outside the USA, they also benefited from the school
system
that was in existence when *they* were growing up. Even if they went to
private
school, a public school system existed for them.

If they did not
pay
school taxes, they would end up paying increased taxes to support an
increased number of people on welfare. It's far cheaper to pay school
taxes
so people can be productive than to support them on welfare.

Exactly!

Uh huh. And it's a pipe dream to think that having less school tax would
convert to a higher percentage of dropouts.


Hmmm, hadn't thought about the people not having kids. If they aren't
going
to add to the burden of society (terrible way to put that...but) by
having
kids, then they get the break, too.

If you think kids are a burden to society, why did you have so many?


So many? How many is so many?


And remember that educating children is an investment in their productive
power
in the future.


And, I am supposed to care about someone else's kid's productive power? Is
that going to lessen *my* tax burden down the road? Am I going to be able
to "get back" from whatever it is they shall be producing? Hardly.


Senior citizens can be "a burden to society" (your term, not mine) in the
form
of Medicare, Social Security, etc. Yet you would give them tax breaks.


Uh, well, yeah. I am closer to being a Sr Citizen than I am of having kids
and raising them again.


After all...it'd probably come up a
wash anyway; a trade for the tax-break they'd get on their annual income
for
not having to pay school tax if they don't have kids.

More like not having to pay back for what they got as kids.


I like the idea of giving people who choose *NOT* to have kids breaks (on
local school taxes), as well as those who choose to have kids (on federal
income tax deductions).

You forget that the people who don't have kids had public education
avaialble
to them when they were growing up.


Sounds like a viscious circle.



Whatever the IRS considers as income...the total taxable income that
is
reported on a W-2--and that's determined by IRS rules, which
ultimately,
I
suppose are determined by we the People (yeah, right, but you get the
gist).


They keep changing the rules on that you know.



Yeah, but this is a democracy

No, it's a constitutional republic.

--we have a voice in that (pfffffft, right,
eh?).

Sure we do. Unless you don't vote.

73 de Jim, N2EY

And, many don't. Which is why my tax dollars--hard earned by me--will
continue to be frivolously spent on useless crap; more for the benefit of
"showing off" than for anything truly worthwhile to the public.

Kim W5TIT