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December 26th 03, 01:08 PM

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

In article ,
(N2EY)
writes:

In article , "Carl R. Stevenson"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote in message
e.com...
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message
...
Leadership is
when one has the courage and wisdom to make a sound judgement
and then "do the right thing."

Who decides what "the right thing" really is?

That's what "leadership" is *supposed* to be there for ... to make
the tough calls when the answer isn't necessarily obvious (or may
be right, but not overwhelmingly popular).

But ultimately it comes down to popularity, because if the "leader" makes
unpopular-enough decision(s), he/she may not be a "leader" anymore. This
happens in government, in business (if a decision isn't popular-enough with
customers and/or stockholders), and in almost all voluntary organizations.

For example, look at
that "21st century" paper (CQ published it, btw, and it was in their
mill before I evder saw it, so don't give me a hard time about it). Is
the "Communicator" idea "the right thing"?

No ... we need more people who understand radio, not more appliance
operators.

Agreed!

But the leaders of the NCVEC committee disagree with us.

Such is forbidden!

By whom?

You need no consensus.

Lack of consensus never stopped you from spreading your blatherskite all over,
Len, including your voluminous commentary to the FCC.

You KNOW the true way.

I know what I think is the best way for the ARS' future. WK3C knows what he
thinks is the best way for the ARS' future. On some things we disagree and on
some things we agree.

All else are ignorant, incapable of the correct decisions.

"That is your problem and you continually foul this newsgroup with arrogant
remarks against the person of those of opposite opinions. Not my problem but
certainly yours in attitude."

It boils down to the old argument of:

"Become a ham to learn about radio"

vs.

"Learn about radio to become a ham"

NO ONE can be "interested in radio" without getting a ham
license!

Says who?

Know morse and one knows all.

Not true.

Otherwise, they could just do a web vote
popularity contest on every issue and wouldn't need Directors ... the
staff could handle the whole thing ...

And if that vote runs opposite to what you think is "the right thing"?

I wasn't advocating a popularity contest ... just saying that if nobody in
"leadership" has the cajones and good judgement to make the right call,
then it might as well devolve to that ...

They *do* have the intestinal fortitude to make the "right" call. But
there's
disagreement about what that call is. There are honest people on all sides
of
most disagreements.

But...you KNOW the true way already.

I know what I think is the best way for the ARS' future.

There can be NO disagreement then.

More untruths from Len.

Of course there can be disagreement.

It sounds to me like you're saying the ARRL Directors should sometimes
go against what the majority of members say they want. Do you really
think that's a good idea?

Yes ... the leadership should, theoretically at least, have superior
knowledge,
insight, and experience and should be there to guide, not simply be a bunch
of political "yes men" to a majority who may/may not necessarily make the
best
choices in terms of what's in the best interests of ham radio long term.

Others describe the ARRL leadership as "self appointed gods of radio" who
claim
to "know what is best". And they use that description as a reason not to
join.

Gasp...you mean to imply they DON'T know what is best?!?!?

Do YOU know what is best, Len?

Or do you only know what you want, regardless of what others think?

Like it or not, it's ultimately a popularity contest. And the long term is
hard
to gauge because things aren't left alone long enough. Even when they are,
there is often little agreement with what the results mean.

You need NO consensus. You KNOW.

You've never needed a consensus, Len. Why should anyone else?

If the bulletins and code practice were done online instead of on-air, what
would be left of W1AW?

It's a MEMORIAL station. Remember?

A memorial to a great man, who you denigrate with childish snide remarks.

The whole point of W1AW is to do those things by *radio*. If we're
going to use the website for bulletins and code practice, why not rag
chewing, traffic handling, DX chasing, contesting......

I've always said that the ampr.org domain should be come a much more
integrated, vibrant part of the internet as a whole ...

But what have you *done* to make that a reality except for talking about it?

Just for starters, Carl was IN Geneva helping to get all of S25
redone.

WK3C was in Geneva for his work. His employer paid the way. No secret about
that, he told us all about it here on rrap.

It got redone. Reality. Love it or leave it.

"Administrations are free to impose morse code testing for all
amateur licensees if they so wish, or partial morse code
testing for privileges above 30 MHz. It is all up to each nation's
administrations."

That's reality, Len, as stated by you.

Some day I might hear W1AW out here 3000 or so miles away.

That would require a half-decent receiver and antenna, Len. Of course if you
choose to live in the shadow of a mountain, refuse to build or buy suitable
equipment, and refuse to inform yourself of when and where to listen, that's
not my problem.

Have you ever actually listened for W1AW, on a time and frequency where there
would be a reasonable chance of hearing it?

W1AW is about 200 miles northeast of here. I frequently contact west coast
amateurs on 80 and 40 meters using my homebrew and kit stations, with antennas
far inferior to W1AW's and much less power. If you can't receive W1AW where you
are, the problem is obviously at your end.

What we call "a short circuit between the headphones" or "cockpit trouble" ;-)

It doesn't reach Hawaii very well, or Alaska.

How do you know?

Obviously us in the
west don't exist as states of the Union.

More untruths. Gee, Len, you seem bent on spreading untruths and
misinformation.

Nobody can possibly be "interested in radio" without testing for
morse code and then Acceptance of the True Way via ARRL.

Another falsehood from Len. Anyone can be "interested in radio". But being
"interested in amateur radio" requires a license and active participation.

You're not interested, Len. You're not even interesting.