On 30 Dec 2003 06:23:07 GMT, Alun wrote:

Dave Head wrote in
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On 29 Dec 2003 04:56:55 GMT, (N2EY) wrote:

In article , Dave Head
writes:

It has to do
with the waning of union power, I think, and the mistake that "tech"
people including engineers make that they don't need a union. If
you're an employee, you need a union. Period. But the IT bunch won't
join one, and look what happened to them.

Dave,

I partly agree with you. A lot of the problem is waning union power.

But that doesn't mean everyone needs to be unionized. The mere
existence of strong unions benefits nonunion workers, too, because
often employers with nonunion shops will treat their workers better in
order to stave off unionization.

Yes, there is that good effect.

But as the percentage of labor that is unionized decreases, that effect
diminishes also.

We're going to be a 3rd world country if workers don't wake up. Very
rich. Very poor. Nobody else.

Dave Head

73 de Jim, N2EY




Oh, arise ye victims of opression, rise up ye workers from your chains,
Come rally, come rally, sing the Internationale

(Words of the Communist Internationale, a rare instance of a song that
refers reflexively to itself, must have been written by a Unix programmer)

Well, we've had at least 1 request to end the thread, but I have to come back
this once to say that I believe we can have protection for workers via their
own actions, through unions, without going the communist route. I'm pretty
seriously anti-communist, but do believe that workers are progressively getting
abused and need to do something about it, themselves, since they are the only
ones that do or ever will care about their welfare.

Dave Head