RadioBanter - View Single Post - If Ham Radio Were Invented Today (reprise)

February 6th 04, 04:13 PM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , Dave Heil
trying to go for the jugular but getting only a juggler writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(N2EY)
writes:

To US who were in the big-time radio communications on HF of a half
century ago, that did not involve morse code. There were and still are
a lot of "US" involved in that.

For some of US who've had more recent experience than yours, morse was
involved. For many of us who are actually radio amateurs and who are
participants in big-time radio HF communications today, morse code is
still involved. What are you doing in big-time HF these days?

In big-time HF, not a heckuva lot. There's very little left of the BIG
TIME HF communications efforts of a half century ago.

More evidence that you aren't in touch with reality, Lennie.

Armature radio deeecksing is "big time?" Nope. Not a drop in a
bit bucket compared to the communications carriers of not too long
ago. You'd LOVE to think it was "big time" but that is only how it
is written up in QST.

Lennie, from someone who is constantly trying to discredit
Amateurs as not being in touch with the "radio world outside of CT", I
am absolutely appalled that YOU demonstrate such
ignorance....Well...No I'm not...you've pretty well proven your
ignorance over and over.

The only radio service still requiring morse code for communications
is amatoor radio. All the other radio services either gave up on it or
never considered it in the first place.

Because the APPLICATIONS are different. This is NOT "PLMRS",
Public Service, the Armed Forces, or Citizens Band.

If you continue to fight THIS tide, you'll only die tired, Putzy
One.

I was IN worldwide communications on HF over a half century ago.
At the time I liked it fine...even felt honored to be able to serve my
country doing just that.

None of that involved morse code.

...and because you didn't use morse, no one used it at the time or since.
A number of us have used morse professionally and as radio amateurs in
the decades after you had your "big-time".

Nope, snarly dave, the Army gave up on morse code for fixed-point
to fixed-point long-distance communications back in 1948, before my
service time. The Navy's long-haul fixed comms were the same way.
Same for the USAF although all the branches maintained some
morse code proficiency requirements and circuits until the early 70s
(rather small efforts). I'm sure Department of State was able to put
some of that obsolete military equipment to good use after it had a
life in active military duty.

We have first-hand testimony from participants in this forum who
are/were in a position to know BETTER than you that this was/is false.

Why do you persist in perpetuating a falsehood?

Tens of thousands of skilled radio operators worldwide have used
worldwide communications effectively for decades without ever
once having to use or know morse code. They have done so for
over a half century.

Tens of thousands of skilled radio ops worldwide *have* used morse
effectively for worldwide communications after your day in the sun.
Tens of thousands still do so.

Sorry, snarly dave, that's just your Article of Faith. You WANT to
think that is true but it's far in the past and never the numbers you
can prove. The PROOF is seeing what radio circuits use what on
HF...even when HF was a mainstay of communications carriers.

Nope...no "Article of Faith", Lennie.

Truth. DOCUMENTED truth.

Don't let me stop your rationale invention. Improve the state of the
rationale art, innovate, improvise, adapt...

And don't let us stop your rant even though it's already been
disproven over and over.

The U.S. military did not require any morsemanship to use the very
first handheld transceivers (on HF) for communications in 1940. That's
64 years ago. Neither did they require any morsemanship to use the
first backpack radio (on VHF) in 1943. That's 61 years ago.

Yet the military continued to use morse. What's your point?

EVOLUTION, you throwback to failed Darwinism.

Do you need a DayGlo billboard to outline it? WAKE UP.

The state of the art of radio communications long since bypassed
morsemanship skills.

Obviously not, according to a poll recently conducted by "CQ"
magazine...AND judging by the amount of CW traffic one can hear at any
given moment on teh HF bands, Lennie.

Again, you persist in trying to make an assertion that's EASILY
disproven with simply procured evidence...ie: turning on any receiver
capable of covering the HF band.

It doesn't take rocket science intellect to use, operate ANY radio.

Obviously it does since you seem to be unable (or is it
UNWILLING?) to turn one on and see for yourself that the facts don't
jive with YOUR "jive".

Morsemanship needs only repetitive Pavlovian training to become
a wetware modem...provided the basic aptitude is present.

NO modern communications carrier uses any morse code. Such
skills went byebye some time ago.

"modern communicaitons carrier"...?!?! Not a COMMERCIAL one, but
since this is NOT a forum about any other radio service than the
AMATEUR Radio Service, it's NOT GERMANE.

Teletype Corporation didn't make a half million teleprinters during
their corporate existance to copy morse code.

And your mommy obviously didn't make you capable of being polite,
responsible or truthful, yet the potential exists.

The hundreds of thousands of amateur radio ops work DX, engage in
radiosport, check into nets or engage in public service communications
without touching a PLMRS transceiver.

Wow! Really?!?

No hams work in a business that has a Public Land Mobile Radio
Services radio? No hams work on railroads or in heavy trucking or
vehicle road service trucks? No hams in construction of large
buildings or engaged in HVAC or plumbing maintenance of same?
No hams are policemen or firemen or paramedics? No hams are in
the broadcast industry using remote links controlled through PLMRS
comms?

I am sure that had a purpose, but whatever it was, it didn't make
it to the surface.

They are all on HF engaging in "radiosport" and net checking to
advance the state of the art of radio and morsemanship?

Now all that "radiosport" and "net checking" is fun and recreational
and enjoyed by many but it is hardly any sort of technical
advancement or honing skills useful in case of national need.

Wrong again. Proven over and over, EVEN in the 21st Century.

Your mileage on the newsgroup rageometer will, of course, vary.

No rage needed here. The comments of hundreds of disaster relief
workers, EMA managers, governmental agencies, etc to the contrary
suffice.

Foaming at the mouth is normal, sarly dave, but don't forget to
brush after every meal.

Trying to dodge responsibility for your own errors, either overt
or of ommission, will not change the fact that YOU are wrong,
Lennie...

No matter HOW many times you repeat your untruthful bile in this
forum, hundreds of OTHER media sources prove you wrong, and that just
tickles me to death.

I see. "Broadband" means "broad bandwidth". You could have knocked me
over with a feather when I read your words. So to your way of thinking
on "broadness", a morse communication at 5 wpm on 10 KHz could be
considered "broadband"?

No. I'd say that 5 words per minute on 10 KHz could possibly be
interfering with USN submarine alert frequencies. Those are on VLF.
It's not nice to interfere with boomers or sharks, big daddy dave.
Such wouldn't mean a "Riley" knocking on your door, but some very
serious "attitude" folks carrying heavy artillery.

Now show us some REAL innovations and inventions done by hams
over the last 50 years or so concerning RADIO. Other than Dan
Tayloe that I've already mentioned several times.

Or just continue to make nasty in here on the UnBelievers who
don't worship at the shrine of St. Hiram.

At least he has a shrine. You just have a shriek.

Steve, K4YZ