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February 14th 04, 03:19 PM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

I should have written "non-hams considering getting a license."
There are a couple of newsgroupies in here who demand adoration
and dedication to the 'service' which they equate to 'interest.'

What you SHOULD write, Lennie, is an apology to every licensed
Amateur for your rude behaviour, misrepresentations and bolfaced
lying.

As fo "demand(ing) adoration", I think yuo've got your foot in
that bucket too, Scummy One.

Few radio amateurs consider the whole of amateur radio.

Please, Lennie...

From your VAST experience IN Amateur Radio, tell US allllllll
about "the whole of (A)mateur (R)adio.

Their
activity is intensely personal, one-on-one with their radio. If using
morse then they are devoid of normal human clues to the other
contact's whole personality...no visuals, no voice tone, no clues to
gender, no real sense of emotion of the other.

And an absolutely CLUELESS representation of what you PERCIEVE to
be the truth, Lennie...

Ab-so-LUTE-ly clueless!

Voice mode is better with normal voice clues to the other party.

In your OPINION, Lennie...And an unsubstantiated one, at that.

What adds to the unreasonableness is the ignorance of what other
radio services are doing and there being a great number of different
radio 'service' people using, maintaining, designing non-amateur radios.
The idea that non-amateurs "not understanding" amateur radio is false
and little more than an attempt at rationalization of their own ignorance.
All radios work by the same laws of physics. Human made legislation
does not change the way a 'service's' radio works or that a non-amateur
entering amateur radio be considered a "beginner." [I am certain there
are Canadians as unreasonable as our esteamed robustness, Heil]

Again, Lennie, you express an arrogant, obviously spiteful and
unabashedly biased and NON-FACTUAL "OPINION".

Others of
the modern day are little interested in meeting antiquated standards of
entering amateur radio.

"Others", Lennie? Or just you?

Obviously YOU are incapable of meeting ANY standard since you are
not licensed.

Therefore, having NOT gone through the process, having NOT
actaully laid eyes on an Amateur examination or participating in the
process, you once again voice an UNINFORMED opinion based solely upon
spite and your own jaundiced view of Amateur Radio.

Radio amateurs who have already achieved the top "upgrade" license
class in their country would NOT be affected in their privileges. Their
only "affect" is a psychological disturbance due to newcomers not
having to do exactly as they did many years ago.

True as well. Those who achieved their license under a more rigorous
testing scheme will naturally see any reduction in testing
requirements as an erosion of standards, and will be offended by it.
That is simple human nature. Most affected by this are the folks at
the top level of licensing. Which makes sense - they put in the
greatest effort under the old system.

Add to that the uncertainty of understanding modern radio, other than
the emotionally-loaded advertisements for amateur radio equipment
and to use that to be one up on their fellows.

All three assertions false.

ANY change to Amateur Radio affects ALL licensees.

That "simple human nature" aspect can alienate them in the eyes of
others. Some of those do not profess to care citing their long tenure
and alleged self-worthiness. Those are just trying to put "greatness"
in the hobby activity by using themselves as top-level role models.

As opposed to you who is trying to put himslef in a position of
greatness without having actually contributed ANYTHING of value to the
service, Lennie?

What has been stable, or relatively so over the years is known,
familiar. Such stability can be comforting. Change, newness is to be
avoided since an unknown condition can cause much anxiety. Then
too, personal rank, status, title might lessen if regulations change to
remove some of that.

So far the one person who is most resistant to change in Amateur
Radio is you, Your Lyingness.

As for the "rank, status" rhetoric you flail about in, well, all
I can say is that it's yet one more bit of evidence of your lack of
realtime experience IN Amateur Radio.

The decades of propaganda by the ARRL is showing up in the un-
swerving Belief that the old ways are still supposed to be best. Part of
that (on the part of ARRL) has been the catering to the insularity of
amateurs, of keeping the status as much quo as possible so as not
to upset the old-time amateur membership.

I find it interesting you refer to ARRL policies and practicies
as "propaganda", yet three yeas after having uttered your assertion of
"the ARRL is dishonest", you ahve yet to provide evidence of same.

I find it hard to accept your opinons as valid when all you have
to back them up is MORE unsubstantiated rhetoric based solely upon
your "nose against the glass looking in" observations.

From what I'm hearing on the group, specifically WRT
incentive licensing several years ago, they seemed to ignore the will
of the majority and come up with something on their own.....which
seems to have annoyed everyone. Oh well, at least they got everyone
to agree on something!

Sigh. More human nature. Since certain sides didn't get their way,
they quaff the juice of fermented spoiled grapes...they whine before
the time.

So far you're the only whiner here. Repetitively.

Many demand that the "majority" of anything do as they do or that
what they do IS what the "majority" does. They are absolutely,
poselutely for-sure knowing such, cannot be considered otherwise.

And YOU suggest we ignore the opinions of those EXPERIENCED in
Amateur Radio as opposed to your own INEXPERIENCED, third-party
rhetoric.

Uh huh...

The caste system of the "IL" or Incentive Licensing definitely exists
in USA amateur radio and continues today. It fits to a T the notion of
(or desire of) some who NEED some way to show they are "better
than others" through some sort of federal whatsis. Now that Internet
has robbed much of the ARRL's monopoly on communications direct
with the FCC, the FCC might be seeing a different picture of what
the feelings are in USA amateur radio.

Thankfully they generally don't reflect the pro-socialist,
anti-education opinons you espouse, Lennie, but I am sure it warms
your heart that they are getting there.

I've been watching with some interest lately the lambasting the
FCC commissioners ahve been taking over THIER "lack of experience",
adn certainly their lack of common sense in recent broadcasting flaps.

Ironic, I think, that 30 years ago when the FCC was ripe with
staffers who had callsigns of thier own that the FCC seemed to be able
to keep control of nearly ALL problems in ALL areas or
radiocommunication.

Now that "fuzzy-feelgood" political correctness and a COMPLETE
lack of contact with the world of reality, we have Senate panels
reading the riot act to media leaders because a hip-hop performer
flashed us for less than 5 seconds with a pastie-coevered breast.

At one time back the FCC just rubber-stamped
what the ARRL wanted. Not so anymore.

Whew...!

Took a lot of gumption to post THAT mistruth, Lennie!

Just about EVERY Amateur journal of the last 50 years is ripe
with reams of coverage of "stuff" the League either promoted to or
fought against the FCC, only to be second guessed by the FCC. In most
cases the FCC found itself regretting it DIDN'T follow the League's
advice...But that's "civil government" at it's best....

Now, PLEASE do some FACT-BASED RESEARCH before making any more
outlandish and obviously flawed postings...Your "credentials" as a
"radio professional" only fade in "value" everytime you utter such
idiotic assertions in public. (Which in YOUR case are frequent)

Steve, K4YZ