RadioBanter - View Single Post - Ham-radio is a hobby not a service

March 11th 04, 10:55 AM

(William) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(William) wrote in message . com...

Thomas Jefferson, as enlightened and as forward looking as he may
have been, could have hardly envisioned the United States as it exists
today.

True. He would vomit blood at the welfare state that we have become.

WHOA, BillyB! You at once espouse making Amateur Radio a
"once-size-fits-all" radio service, then make reference to a "welfare
state"...?!?!

Nice turn-about there! Get whiplash making that turn...?!?!

You keep trying to avoid the very real truth that Amateur Radio
STILL fills a need, even in these early days of the 21st century.

I accept that. However, what I find amusing is that you and Dee
cannot accept that other forms of communications are fast eclipsing
amateur radio as a means of portable emergency communications.

I have NEVER, in this forum or any other, refused to acknowledged
that other radio, wireline, or other common carrier services provide
any other means of "portable emergency communications".

I challenge you to prove otherwise.

What I HAVE stated in this and other forums is that Amateur Radio
CONTINUES to provide a necessary and almost irreplaceable asset. NO
OTHER RADIO SERVICE provides the flexibility and utility that Amateur
Radio does.

I challenge you to prove THAT otherwise, also.

These facts are not from some ARRL source...these assertions come
from a plethora of govenmental, public and private agencies who have
benefitted from the contributions of Amateur Radio and have expressed
the intent to continue to include Amateur Radio in thier plans and
programs.

And cell phones.

How well does a cellphone operate without a functioning cellsite,
Brain?

Please DISPROVE ANYTHING I have said about Amateur Radio's
role.

I have NEVER said anything even CLOSE to the idea that we're the
only game in town. Quite the contrary.

I HAVE said we provide a service to those who make the plans
and need the help.

Phones and comms did go out in some areas here. Ham radio turned out to be
a valuable asset.

Power went out north of here. Other than power, there were no reports
of comms going out. Do you have a newspaper clipping detailing the
comm outages?

How about SITREP's from OES/EMA's detailing Amateur Radio
involvement?

You'll have to ask Dee.

I am asking you.

Just becasue the papers don't name each and every resource
employed in an emergency doesn't mean they weren't involved. That's a
LennieRant tactic that any 3rd grader can see through.

And you're entirely up to the task. Congrats?

Did you say that cell phones played no role in providing
communications during the east coast power outage?

Absolutely not. You'll please quote the post wherein I made such
an assertion, Brain...?!?!

Did you say that cell sites don't have emergency backup generators?

Absolutely not. You'll please quote the post wherein I made such
an assertion, Brain...?!?!

C'mon, third grader, explain cell phones from of the picture. Tell us
that cell phones played NO role?

WHERE do you GET such assinine insinuations, Brain...?!?!

I have NEVER made ANY SUCH ASSERTION!

Amateur Radio's contributions in emergencies does NOT exist
solely "when the comms are down".

C'mon, third grader, show us where I stated that.

From above:

Power went out north of here. Other than power, there were no reports
of comms going out. Do you have a newspaper clipping detailing the
comm outages?

The INSINUATION you make here is VERY clear...in YOUR estimation,
the "comms" had to be "down" in order for Amateur Radio to have played
a role in "emergency comms".

"Emergency comms" are NOT only when the wires are down or the
cell site destroyed, Brain.

Perhaps if you were actively involved in the programs of some
disaster mitigation agency you might have a better insight as to what
Amateur Radio's OTHER roles are...?!?!

You and Dee simply cannot accept that an unlicensed service has played
a major role in emergency comms.

What "unlicensed service"...?!?! CB? FRS? MURS? Part 15
compliant devices?

Cellphones are a "fee-for-service" provided by the common
carriers under the auspices of THIER licenses.

Were you two colleagues in third grade???

Perhaps.. I knew a "Dee" in gradeschool, however I doubt we were
classmates.

On the otherhand we both seem to acknowledge that Amateur Radio
plays a PART in emergency communications, and that PART is
acknowledged and incorporated by almost every major disaster
mitigation organization in the United States, including FEMA, The Red
Cross, The Salvation Army, the Department of Defense, the Department
of State, most state's OES's, etc etc etc.

Unless, of course, you have evidence to the contrary...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ