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April 25th 04, 04:17 PM

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Cell phone woes
From: (William)
Date: 4/24/2004 11:42 AM Central Standard Time
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
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MARS is military. Check out what the acronym means sometime.

I know it quite well.

Military AFFILIATE Radio System.

That means licensed AMATEURS "affiliated" with that particular
MARS/military program.

I am a leader in the BSA.

That's scary.

When I am on my paying job, am I representing the BSA?

Who cares? You may. When I am on my paying job I occassionally get to
discuss CAP, Amateur Radio, EMS and several other "programs" I participate in.

Ergo, you MAY be "representing" BSA when you're on your "paying job"...

When a volunteer is signing AFA3xx, is he or she representing the BSA,
CSA, FFa or the PTA?

Could be.

Nope. And neither are they representing the ARS or the ARRL.

Says you?

You need to learn to compartmentalize your activities.

No Amateur Radio Operators = No MARS.

Not true. Regulations change every day. The regulations will be
changed to suit new conditions.

Perhaps.

But right now...today...what I stated is true.

Nope, you're "FACTS" are moving targets. You've already backtracked
on your original statement and now say that 1% of MARS personnel are
not Amateurs.

TOMORROW they may require that I be wearing Avon when I operate and that I
hang from the shower curtain by my ankles.

But not today.

They won't. Trust me.

Try to stay away from extremes.

MARS would have an easier training load by training people off the
street rather than having to retrain a bunch of amateurs.

Unless you were assigned the responsibility of incorportating those
assets
to your plan by higher headquarters, Brian. Are you stating for the record
that if you are tasked with such a requirement that you'd disobey lawful
orders?

Comms was not my functional area, but weather comms were. But I will
state for the record that I'd write anything into the plan or opord
that hhq told me to - as long as it was a legal order.

Then you were not being honest with yourself or faithful to your sworn
oath.

How am I not being honest?

Yes, 99.999% of the time I am sure no one would ask you to write dumb
stuff.

Lots of dumb stuff is written here. Arguing minutia over and over and
over is what Carl commented on.

No, I would not care to give you an "after action report", other than
to
say I had a good time and a lot WAS learned/accomplished.

Great! You accomplished WAS. Glad you had fun.

Huh...???

Unless, of course, you know of some secret DoD document that would
deploy
Active Duty service persons to flesh out the MARS ranks if they all decided
to
quit...?!?!

I suspect that MARS, if need be, could find volunteers who didn't have
amateur licenses. Isn't that what CAP does? Doesn't CAP use radios
on military frequencies?

What CAP does today is irrelevent to the topic being discussed.

Yes, it is. The USAF has set a precedent that they don't require
amateur volunteers to operate radios on military frequencies. Do you
disagree?

And I have proposed changes to the AFMARS system that would allow CAP
members who have completed "ACUT" (Advanced Communicator User Training) and who
have demonstrated competency to be allowed to enroll in AFMARS.

Hopefully you didn't include Avon products and hanging upside down
from the shower rod in your proposal.

Now please allow me to have an opinion.

You have a CAP volunteer who now wants to add AFMARS volunteer to
his/her credentials. Then the big disaster occurs and CAP calls him
up for duty. Then AFMARS calls him up for duty. Then RACES calls him
up for duty. Then the ARC calls him up for duty. Then the ER calls
him up for duty. Then home calls and say they need him there.

Choose one (1) emergency service to volunteer for and do it well.
When work calls and says they need you there, you go to work. When
home calls and says they need you there, you go home.

I think some people collect volunteer credentials like some people
collect 10-10 numbers.

But that is NOT what the rules allow now, and what MIGHT happen in the
future is irrelevent NOW.

If future rules are irrelevant, why do you propose changes?

MARS is NOT "Amateur Radio."

Best of Luck, and last this subject.

No Amateur Radio = No MARS.

MARS is NOT "Amateur Radio."

And best of luck to you.

Steve, K4YZ