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May 31st 04, 01:08 AM

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 5/30/2004 11:58 AM Central Standard Time
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In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Withdrawl of Amatuer assets would result in an overall loss that would
cripple the program. Without those participants there'd be nothing to be
"affiliated" with.

MARS never worked with "amatuer assets."

BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! !

So, Lennie...Those thousands of persons who have membership in the
various branch progrmas are NOT an ASSET to those programs...?!?!

WHAT AN IDIOT ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

You wrote "amatuer" twice instead of the proper word "amateur."

Neither MARS nor the FCC has used "amatuers."

You have a near-constant tendency to misspell "amateur" in the
haste you seem to have (or possibly outrage, anger) to attempt
"cutting me off at the knees." :-)

You've never read DoD Directive 4650.2 (21 Nov 03) have you?

You've never been a member of those programs and have PRACTICAL
EXPERIENCE in what makes them tick, have you...?!?!?

Actually, I've operated one MARS transmitter allowed at the ADA
site long ago. Otherwise, no, I've never "operated MARS."

Closest I got to interplanetary communications was with the ALSEP
stations placed on the moon. Did supervise unmanned spacecraft
assembly that (eventually) orbited Mars.

On Terra, I've not been required to be an attorney of any kind in
reading and understanding of various laws from the government,
nor did I need to be any kind of commissioned officer in the
military to read and understand military specifications.

MARS was never created, implemented, or directed to be a PART
of regular military tactical or strategic communications. It was
created - essentially - for morale and public relations activities, a
link between civilians and military. Over the years the role of MARS
has shifted from the morale and PR aspect to being a "go-between"
between established military communications and government
emergency and aid agencies.

OK...SO you AGREE with what I've been saying all along then!

Not at all.

You've said "MARS is amateur radio."

That's false. MARS is MILITARY.

No Amatuer Radio = No MARS.

Again, MARS never worked with "amatuer radio."

And again, your ignorance is showing!

MARS likes to get volunteers from amateur radio, NOT "amatuer radio."

There's no such thing as "amatuer radio." :-)

Your original assertion was (see thread title) "MARS is amateur
radio."

That original assertion is WRONG.

That you cannot think in the abstract is flamingly obvious!

I'd say it is a case of you not being able to "think" at all.

MARS is MILITARY by DoD Directive, by regulations from all
three military branches.

The FCC doesn't define MARS, doesn't and cannot regulate it.

MARS is (obviously) MILITARY.

A "military" program that DEPENDS upon licnesed Amateurs to run.

No. MARS is "run" by military personnel. U.S. Army MARS Hq
is NETCOM at Fort Huachuca, AZ. They use military radio
equipment for MARS there.

MARS was originally created BY the military. It exists today on its
own as organic with the military structure and can function by
itself. The 2002 exercise of Grecian Firebolt over four weeks back
two years ago proved that.

You try to backpedal by changing your assertion that "No amateur
radio = no MARS." That too is WRONG.

MARS hasn't had the word "amateur" in its acronym since 1948.

Doesn't matter.

It did to the U.S. Army. It created the predecessor of MARS in
the AARS or Army Amateur Radio Service in 1925. Newly-
created USAF joined in 1948 and the AARS was renamed
MARS.

In order to accomplish it's tasked goals, MARS needs those lincesed
Amateurs in order to function.

MARS doesn't use "lincesed amateurs."

VOLUNTEERS for MARS operations come from "licensed amateurs."

The FCC didn't create MARS nor does it regulate it. Department
of Defense authorizes MARS (see Directive 4650.2).

Why do you keep trying to make an issue of this, Lennie? I've never
mentioned the FCC in any of these exchanges?

MARS is MILITARY.

Radio amateurs are licensed (not "lincesed") by the FCC. FCC
can only license (not "lincese") CIVIL radio, not military.

It really is THAT simple.

Yes, what I've explained IS simple...but you REFUSE to accept
reality outside your imagination. Twice, really, first in the original
assertion and then in the revised form, both of which are incorrect.
You stubbornly insist you are right, almost in outrage (once again
misspelling "amateur" twice, as done in previous postings).

You've only quoted from published manuals and directives. It still
does not accurately reflect the true character of the MARS programs.

Your "reflections on true character" exist only in your mind.

MARS is adequately described by MILITARY directives and
regulations. Some MARS operations have been written up in
the Army Center for Military History.

If you wish to imagine that your volunteerism with any MARS
makes you a part of the military service, that is just your
imagination working too hard.

There's nothing INaccurate in what you've QUOTED when you've quoted it,
it's just that YOU refuse to accept that CURRENT MARS PRACTICE AND NEEDS are
DEPENDENT upon LICENSED RADIO AMATEURS to fulfill.

No again. MARS can operate by itself, using just military personnel.

It did that in Grecian Thunderbolt 2002 for four weeks according to
the quarterly Army Communicator.

What YOU have demonstrated is that YOU are trying to express an opinion
based upon purely theoretical or stricty "by the book" definitions and DO NOT
understand the actual functionings of ANY of the programs.

No. I've merely stated the reality of MARS along with some of its
known history.

As a licensed radio amateur (not a "lincesed" one) you have to
both operate and conduct yourself "by the book" of Part 97 in order
to retain your amateur radio license (not "lincese") grant.

I again ask you how many MARSGRAMS have YOU processed?

I've tried to send three of those MARS messages through the
local FEC Hq. MARS detachment. They never got forwarded.
Surface mail was far more reliable. :-)

How many phonepatches for AFLOAT units have you ran?

"AFLOAT?" Is that some kind of MARS auxilliary? :-)

How's that Navy-Marine Corps MARS application going?

Why are you so concerned about "applying to Navy MARS?"

I've never said that I wanted to participate in MARS.

Please, Lennie...show us what PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE you have in ANY MARS
program....Of course you can always regale us with your exploits of 63 years
ago...

"Regale exploits of 63 years ago?!?" :-)

63 years ago would make it the year 1941. I was 8 years
old then.

You didn't exist in 1941. Your parents were never able
to bear children in 1941.

They should have stayed with that ability. :-)

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD