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June 18th 04, 08:48 PM

In article ,
(Putzcussionist of the Rock-head group Grateful Dood) writes:

Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/17/2004 5:24 PM Central Standard Time
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In article ,
(Steve the Grate Meaningful Communicator) writes:

"I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"...Leonard
H. Anderson

Was the SINCGARS family of radios ever mentioned? ...(SNIPPED)

There are a LOT of military radio systems and equipment NOT mentioned in
Amateur media...and byt eh same token most of those systems are NOT mentions
in a great many professional journals, either...! ! ! ! !

Hmmm...General Dynamics as well as ITT make a quarter million
radio sets over a period of 15 years and it is "not" mentioned in
any professional journals?!?!?

Tsk, tsk, tsk. SINCGARS has been in the news since Defense
Electronics monthly was published, is in SIGNAL, the monthly of
AFCEA, gets mentioned periodically in EDN, Electronics Design,
EE Times, RF Design, RF & Microwaves magazines, plus articles
in both Proceedings and some Transactions of the IEEE. It's in
the UK too since Harris is making SINCGARS-compatible radio
systems for them.

Those are all "professional journals" since they are non-
subscription "controlled" periodicals requiring identification of
the reader to the magazines as being in/part/associated with
the electronics industry. Decidedly professional.

Not only that, there are many subscription services which have
newsletters and periodicals and surveys, etc., of the defense
electronics contracts, awards, amounts, add-ons, etc. for those
who can't handle the free information from the government on
such things. Example of the latter is Central Electronics
Command at Fort Monmouth, NJ, which concerns itself with
procurement and overseeing of Army electronics contracts.

Your point?

There's quite a bit of FREE information out there for anyone to
find out about military or government radio systems and
communications. Been there for a long time, even before the
Internet went public such as the SINCGARS.

A QUARTER MILLION radio sets of one kind makes for some
future surplus market, doesn't it? [that's the most of any one
kind of radio system in government history...]

If poor nursie is annoyed at not being spoon-fed enough info
through hum radio magazines, then he should not try to mean-
mouth those who know about such things. Tsk, tsk.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nursie getting all red in the face with rage again and
can't pull out any information from all those "secret" military radios
"he can't talk about."

Only you've tried to make it "secret".

No, nursie did, way back when I first mentioned the SINCGARS in
here plus the public availability of FM 24-24 of December 1994 (a
compendium of signal equipment of all kinds, including HF radio
sets, then in military inventory).

Nursie claimed then - in broad generalities - he had "worked in
military communications" but could not name ONE SET by
either nomenclature or familiar name ANY of them. Claimed
he could not talk about them due to not revealing military
secrets or some rationalistic reason. Which was all BS, of
course, since the general information had long been publicly
available through many government sources.

Secondly, there are several "radio hobbyist" magazines available in the
US, espcially "Popular Communications" and "Monitoring Times" that cover the
"SWL" and scanning disciplines. If someone is interested in "other radio
services", then they can go to those other sources.

Won't be much there, either.

Then you've not been reading any of THOSE publications either.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. I keep mentioning all those periodicals and controlled-
subscription magazines and other information, write them in here,
sometimes giving detailed information, and nursie keeps saying "I
don't read them! :-)

I'm NOT a regular subscriber to PopComm or Monitoring Times,
never did get every annual WRTH, don't buy every issue of CQ or
QST, nor of the old 73. Got a free subscription to HR after becoming
an Associate Editor there. Neither did I buy every issue of
PopElectronics or Radio Communication (the RSGB monthly) nor
of the old Radio Craft or Radio and Television News or many of the
old newsstand monthlies of ancient history. Don't have to...I'm not
interested in ham DX contest scoresheets or nostalgia articles of
old hum radio from the 1930s or building two-transistor transmitters
in discarded tuna tine cans nor of building super-duper state-of-the-
art one-tube regenerative receivers (all-band!).

Been IN the electronics industry, seen lots of stuff up close and
personal, designed a little bit of it, used it in the field. Radios.
Modern radios. Got into the guts of them behind the front panel,
know how they work...followed the contract awards, know who
did what on some of it, know the modern history of it instead of
concentrating on old history of one small part of radio related to
hobby activities.

There's much more on the Internet, especially the military collector
sites...but those are about as behind the times as the boatanchor
and surplus sites.

Then carry your rants THERE, Lennie. I am sure your spiteful wit and
willingness to be antagonistic will be as well received there as it is here.

Naw. I like the "meaningful discourse" of mighty gunnery nurse
and his liberal viewpoints of my-way-or-the-highway-you-putz!"

:-)

Perhaps the Amateur Radio magazines limit the scope of thier content for
the same reasons you don't find a whole lot of fly fishing technique articles
in "Cosmo"...?!?!

Nursie get amateur radio info from Cosmopolitan or Field & Steam? :-)

Where does this idiot
(and I am being a bit liberal with praise there...) get the idea that an
AMATEUR RADIO publication should discuss issues pertaining to Public
Service,
Common Carrier or military services when the topic does not correspondingly
and directly affect Amateur Radio...?!?!

Must be more of this "meaningful discourse" again.

The "A" in APCO does NOT refer to Amateur.

The "A" in SHARES does NOT refer to Amateur.

The "A" in MARS does NOT refer to Amateur.

Sure it does...to what other radio service is MARS "affiliated"
with...?!?!

FEMA, SHARES, several government agencies. :-)

See the Army Communicator write-up on Grecian Firebolt 2002
for a good example. :-)

Too bad there weren't some human relations courses in that 14 years of
night school, Lennie.

There were under California rules for the early 1960s. :-)

Some of those courses were done during the day. All for
college accreditation.

And I don't resent your efforts to be an engineer. One day you may be
one.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. :-)

Poor nursie resents the existance of anyone who has opinions
contrary to his own. The spirit of the "new amateur radio" of this
millenium. :-(

Get mental help.

Meanwhile, temper fry...

LHA / WMD