Cecil Moore wrote in message ...
Mark Keith wrote:
If you are using the vertical for long haul, the increased received
noise is a non issue.

Actually, that's when an s-7 noise level is the biggest issue. Most
long haul signals are below s-7.

The signals will override the noise. IE: the
noise might be 2 s units higher, but the signal increase over the low
dipole will likely be more than that. The vertical still wins overall.

Bottom line: Verticals are essentially useless in Madisonville, TX and,
to the best of my knowledge, all hams here are forced to use horizontally
polarized antennas. Anyone who wants a nice 33 foot long vertical, come
on over and haul it away for free. Drilling out the pop rivets allows
collapsing it to six feet long.

Cecil,
verticals are essentially useless...Have you tried link coupling to a
vertcal?
If that doesn't work then you could then add a picket fence even tho
there will be a bit of capacitive loss.
Regards
Art