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September 17th 04, 09:55 PM

(Brian Kelly) wrote in message om...
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(Brian Kelly) writes:

(William) wrote in message

Cecil didn't "switch" anything,

The hell he didn't. He resigned his NCI membership.

Really? I obviously missed that one. Good for him.

After the rules changed, he said that reduction to 5 wpm for all classes was
enough. He resigned his membership in NCI and soon after reduced his
participation here. He's still around in rraa but not nearly as much as
before.

The bottom line is that Cecil and many others are ahead of the power
curve as usual but thee and me and a few other PCTAs are silly enough
to still hang out around here.

Sort of. Who does most of the posting here, in both number of posts
and length? It ain't me or thee, by a long shot.

This USENET group was a huge deal back
when the code test flap was The Big Thing.

4-1/2+ years ago.

Which at this point is a
dead topic since the code test is obviously not going away within any
visible timframe if ever.

Frankly, I'm amazed that FCC didn't MO&O it out of existence last
summer.

So Cecil, Hare, innumerable others and even
Carl Anderson

Stevenson

for cripes sake, the Honcho Maximo of NCI wised up and
bailed out of here long ago leaving us to bicker mindlesssly,
circularly and endlessly with dim lights like Burke and the other
Anderson. WE'RE the RRAP stupids for bothering with any of it
Miccolis.

Who is bothering? I read a few posts, write a few, discuss interesting
topics with KB3EIA, N8UZE, and some others. Filtering what one reads
works wonders.

Sorry you weren't there to join that exercise

No you're not.

Congratulations Burke, you finally got something right.

All were invited. Some of us showed up. And some of us have worked since.

Remember that FD when you worked AC6XG on 20 CW?

Sure, whatta hoot. What was is it . . midnight or so at that hopeless
Clayton Park FD fiasco . . ?

Yep.

20 had been slowly petering down all
evening and I was in a hurt for Qs but then suddenly the Ether perked
up and there was Jim big and bad at 40wpm. I'll do you a favor and not
get into a description your dismal encounter with my Kent paddles . .
heh . . !

Then I hooked up the bug and chatted w/him. That musta been four years
ago - since then I've done at least 3 non-CP FDs

Logged him.

Refresh me here James, I think it was around the time that I logged XG
that I/we started to hear a lot more signals from very far off places
than I/we could hear from US FD stations. So to hell with FD, let's
get back to basics and go dxing I sayithed to self. Worked the JA who
was in some other contest. Logged him too. Apparently Newington did
not disallow that one.

DX contacts count for FD. They give you a signal report, it counts.

They simpy doan give a **** abt FD logs good or
bogus.

Not true! The QSOs were good. There was one SP handing 'em out 2-3 a
minute later on - remember? They all counted.

Then came Balch who finally waddled in out of the gloom of the
parking lot (two hours late as usual) to take over the seat and rolled
his eyes heavenward when he was copying my Q with the VK2 blaring all
over the park from the 940 spkr.

Yep.

DX qsos count; it's just that DX stations' logs aren't counted
competitively in the listings.

A year or two ago the definition was changed so that FD covers not
just North America but SA too. Which means N2EY/Tierra del Fuego could
compete...

. . worked the German and then the Peruvian but that was it, thus I
blew a one-hour midnite FD WAC for the lack of a Q with an African.
RATZ, not a ZS6 anywhere to be found!

I remember....

All of 'em, I believe we agree (but check me), were worked with
radiation from the shield of the coax which fed Robert's triband
Mosely aircooled dummy load upon high.

Musta been 5 years ago, becuz the next year you brought the halfsize
G5RV to avoid such headaches.

I have not gotten into this topic previously anywhere with anybody
because several years later it still ****es me off the extent that I
can still easily go too ballistic about it and post fodder which
anti-hams would just love. But fuggit, I gotta get it off my chest and
let the chips fall where they might.

I hear ya.

I don't remember which of those three Clayton Park debacles we did
together but during one of 'em it was well after sundown, very late,
most of the usual crowd had gone home, activity was down and I was
grinding away but going nowhere in a hurry. I took a break for a pit
stop. On my way back to my seat I first passed a group of the usual
collection of hardcore neighborhood repeater dwellers we both know
bull****ting abt nothing as usual. A few feet later there was young
guy who was clearly having odd problems with the HF xcvr he was using,
some POS or another. So I asked "Are you having problems guy?" "Yes I
am".

The guy was blind, he was not familiar with the POS "they" finally
scheduled him to operate after everybody else had gotten their jollies
off with it earlier at their convenience but he could not diddle it's
controls and get it on the air. I sat with him for some length of
time, maybe 15 minutes or so and guided his hands around the front
panel of the xcvr and got him up and running on some phone band or
another. In the meanwhile the aformentioned collection of bull****ers
wasn't more than eight feet from him throuhout all of it. I gotta tell
you that in all my half century on the bands that was the worst of the
worst of the bad experiences I've had in the game. Madonna was right:
It's a material world. Yes, I fear for the future of ham radio.

I did not know that story. Makes me sick.

Now watch, somebody will spin it into being *your* fault.

But do not fear for the future of amateur radio too much. Here's why:

Back when you started, and to a lesser extent even when I started, ham
radio was populated mostly by folks who took it very seriously. "Radio
for its own sake" wasn't something most people were interested in. The
license process, operating skill requirements and equipment costs
alone insured that most hams had a considerable personal investment -
and the money was the least of it. Sure, there were some clueless folk
but they either learned or were really frustrated.

Then a bunch of things happened. The cb boom made 2 way radio popular
and practical for lots of folks, the development of ssb and then fm
transceivers and solidstate made the equipment small, less expensive
and easier to use, etc. We got a lot of good hams, of course, but also
a sizable number who are only "sort of" interested, and who don't take
it that seriously, nor have a big personal investment. The whole code
test issue is really just an iceberg-tip for the concept of personal
investment.

Now we have the internet and cheap cell phones and GMRS/FRS. Which
have pulled away a lot of the folks who were "sort of" interested in
ham radio. That's why repeater use and 'honeydew' licensing is down -
much easier to just use the cell phone or FRS.

So the future of ham radio relies on those who are really interested
in radio for its own sake and are a lot more than "sort of"
interested. Those folks are out there, and will continue to be. But
they will not be attracted by lowering the requirements or trying to
make ham radio a sort of rf version of the internet.

. . . . . Ed asked you what your
installation conditions were but you ignored his offer and went back
to mindlessly hammering yer keyboard here instead.

You missed the point, Mr. Kelly.

. . . yeah, looks like I did . . .

The whole antenna discussion was a classic example of the N0IMD shaggy dog
discussion method.

PLONK.

Exactly.

But of course as we all know you don't have half a brain so
predictably your history has repeated itself. Somebody gotta be the
dunce around here so I guess you'll hafta do until Kim "un-retires"
from RRAP agn.

So you get all fired up - for what?

I very seldom get "fired up" about anything in the usual sense
particularly in this venue but you're right, "dealing with" the likes
of Burke around here is a complete waste of anybody's time.

Which is exactly the game.

You can wriggle and you can squirm Burke but you can't help hanging
yourself by your own petard, you were born to shoot both of your feet
as often as you can in public. That's just the way you are.

All depends what you think the goal is. You're thinking the goal is to put up
an antenna. It's not.

Right: PLONK again.

Another technique to watch for is the misremembering of a past event
in order to get your panties in a snarl. Such as the whole Cecil
thing. Or the whole K8MN A1 op thing. Or the way I've been
misquoted/misinterpreted...

I dumped the bait over the transom, I'm chumming for an on-the-air QSO
with NØIMD via the end-fed wire he claims he has. It's put up or shut
time time again around here. Tally Freaking Ho, this oughta be a real
gooder.

Don't hold yer breath. Watch - there will be all kinds of reasons it
won't happen. Like a certain Extra license that is still in its box.

And it will be spun so that somehow it's *your* fault...

73 de Jim, N2EY