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September 18th 04, 10:04 PM

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/17/2004 8:11 PM Central Standard Time
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Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/16/2004 6:49 PM Central Standard Time
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Len Over 21 wrote:

Tsk, tsk. You want a meeting with charts and graphs and an
experienced presenter to show you examples of the infamous
Double Standard?!?!?

hmm, maybe. *Your answer* is what needs explaining. If I don't care
about your mode, nor Steve's mode of expression, and you two are on
opposite sides of the discussion, I need an explanation of why that
means that I have a double standard.

Tsk. Still need an "explanation?"

Not a good reply, Coslo.

Nor a good explanation.

Lennie doesn't HAVE a "Double Standard" that he can use as an
example,
Mike. That's why he dodged answering your post.

Nope, I took the summer off to rest a torn meniscus. Takes longer to
heal as time marches on.

Who filled in under your name in here "all summer?"

What are you talking about?

You'll have to forgive Lennie...If you posted even once in that time
period, he assumes that you anxiously devoured each and ever word he
wrote as
if there were no other nourishment to be had.

Or you may be smoking some "good stuff" that Bob Casey said I
was... :-)

nahh. nothing stronger than the occasional beer for me.

3.2 stuff? :-)

You smoke beer? How is that done? :-)

So. you deliberately misunderstand me to serve as the content of your
replies? noted! 8^)

Of course. "The Dodge" (not the automobile). A typical Lenniesque
diversion from having to acknowledge a comment which might embarrass
him.

Tsk. You should get a subscription to Psychology Today and
fill yourself in on what "relationships" are.

It is okay. This happens all over Netnews. Don't let it bother you too
much.

This is where Lennie gets most of his "education"...Periodicals that
his
wife subscribed to...Of course he'd have everyone here believe that it was
HIS education that carried the day.

If you know all this Steve, why bother with Len at all?

Because Steve lies, and Steve has a mission, and Steve is nuts.

Like the guy in the movie, Acropolis Now, he was lying on his back in
a hoe house, the ceiling fan started to look like a rotary wing
propellor, then he says, "I asked for a mission, and for my sins, they
gave me one."

No "hi, hi" on that one.

Here's the question Steve. I think I know the answer already, but let's
check it out.

As long as Lenover21 continues to post in his present style, I assume
that you are happy to post in retort to him. Yes?

%#$%&**@!!!

You actually asked such a question???

If you'll take careful notice, Mike, with rare exception over the last
few
months, I rare reply directly to anything he says. Most of it (like the last
couple with you here) have been as a result of someone else's posts echoing
him.

I'm pretty convinced that even though there are times you find him
exasperating, it doesn't upset you to make the posts?

What would upset me even more is letting a bully go unchallenged.

A bully? Len only has as much power as you give him. Proof of the saying "He
who angers me, controls me. " Len works jard to anger you, so you'll come off
the handle, call him names, etc.

Works EVERY time!

Note how upset he gets when people *don't* react in kind. Note how he's trying
to get mild-mannered Mike Coslo worked up so that Mike will reply in kind.

Poor Mike. Supports Steve. Get's blasted.

Whatsa nice guy to do? "Steve's not such a bad sort, I mean he never
called me a homo or a pedo, and he never threatened my wife or
kids..."

But Mr. Coslo doesn't work that way. I suspect his time on the ice is one
reason. (One trick in hockey is to do something when the ref isn't looking that
elicits a violent reaction when the ref *is* looking. Result: Penalty box and
your team is down a player for several minutes. Games are won and lost that
way. So Mike stays cool and collected.

And plays dirty?

Amateur Radio is something that has enrichened my life and has been a
Godsend on more than one occassion.

Same for me. I think my background in ham radio got me into engineering school
and into a successful EE career.

Holey Moley! You're a real engineer? Got any land surveying under
your belt?

Introduced me to a lot of good friends. Showed
me a world many folks don't even know exists.

Why should Len's words bother me?

So much so that you kill file him? Can't imagine it!

To allow a creep like Anderscum to trash it unabated would be
unthinkable.

His words have only as much power as you give them. Calling him "Anderscum"
simply lowers you to his level.

Absolutely. And Jim's "Dr. Fill" persona isn't nearly enough to work
on Steve's psychophenomenon.

Can't you see that's what he wants?

Everyone but Steve sees it!!!

Doesn't that clue you in the least???

Sorry Han's, Steve IS Controlled by Len!

Hi, hi!

ESPECIALLY when he is so blatantly wrong on so many occassions.

Then point out the errors without the name calling.

In-friggin-possible!!!

I also believe that for good or bad, you enjoy it to a certain extent.

Only that it lends some balance to his mistruthfulness and deceit.

When you call him "Lennie" and "anderscum" and go off on his wife or whatever,
it undermines *your* credibility. Which is just what he wants.

Hellooooooooo?????????

Steve's just lucky that Len doesn't pick up the phone!!!

So you guys have a relationship. It's a pretty strange one, made easier
by Netnews, but this sort of thing has existed for a long time. It's the
old Winston Churchhill/Lady Astor thing. They traded barbs with each
other, and I have to believe they enjoyed it.

Was it Lady Astor who said to Sir Winston:

"My good sir, I do believe you are drunk!"

"Yes, m'lady, I am. And you are quite ugly. But tomorrow I will be sober...."

That was mean. And Steve is crazy. Tomorrow, Steve will still be
crazy, Lady Astor will still be ugly, and Len will still be laughing
at you guys.

Sir Winston just might have a headache.

Why Lenover21 resists my suggestions that this is what is going on is
beyond me. It is no insult, its just how things go sometimes.

He resists them because admitting them would spoil his game.

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

If you can. Hi, hi!

He resists a lot. Common sense. Civility. Friendship. He'd rather
you slap him around a bit than shake his hand.

Of course. Now think what his real purpose could be. Here's a hint: It's not
about making amateur radio better or advancing it

(hint: nor is yours)

Lennie loves to berate othrs for "assuming", "rank and priviledge",
and
swears he does NOT berate others for thier services regardless.

thier?

That's been misproven repeatedly. Just google up the famous "sphincters post",
where he berated and denigrated a US Coast Guard radio operator for his
recollections of his duties at NPM.

The guy who sold out his PO box to Deignan the callsign collector?

Now there's someone who contributes to the state of the art.

I do not have now, and I never did have any military rank. That needs
to be clear. But there are more ways than that of serving your country.

Some ways are more meaningful than others.

Agreed 100%

10 - 50%

Absolutely.

Lennie did one active duty tour in the Army. Good for him.

More than Kelly did.

But I know people who have made far greater contributions to the United
States who never left thier home state than Lennie ever hoped to "passing 1.2
million messages at ADA in 1953".

Name them and "thier" deeds.

Len and over 700 other military personnel there at the time...

But not Kelly. Then there was that attorney who's war was "Yom
Kippur" but never served.

That's what get's his goat. The really sad thing is that Lennie COULD
be
in that same boat...but just hasn't got the guts to be anything other than
what
he is now...bitter and angry.

I see a broken down Marine, who tragically lost a child, now extremely
bitter and angry.

I see Kelly suggest I take my children to Somalia.

Is there any middle ground with you guys?

What makes you think Len is bitter or angry? I don't see that at all.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I'm just waitng for that one.