In article , Mike Coslo writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Then why do you support and condone their actions by saying
nothing against their egregious conduct?

That is simply incorrect. I have and still do disagree with what Steve
sometimes posts, and I have noted it to him. Jim has also, on more
occasions than me. We do not support or condone their actions.

Right...there's two sets of fingers wagging "no-no, naughty boy."

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

What the issue is is that I (and presumably Jim) do not go after people

in the manner that you want us to. It isn't my style, and I won't change
it to suit you.

In other words, you condone what a licensed ham is doing.

No sweat, the picture is perfectly clear.


Tsk. You fail to understand simple sarcasm, Coslo.

Sarcasm doesn't work well in print.

Actually it does. The time isolation gives you plenty of thinking
about a reply that says "sarcasm doesn't affect you." :-)

No one is "oppressing" me.

BINGO! You post as you se fit.

No "bingo." That's just the way it is.

I'm simply persistent and confrontational on the issue of keeping a
morse code test for any radio license in this new millennium.

And in the end, accomplish very little. That test is likely to go away
in spite of your antagonism

Tsk, tsk, tsk! :-)

That was patently transparent, Coslo. :-)


PCTA clearly wish to oppress those against the code test (evident
from their public statements) by intimidation,

How are a bunch of radio geeks going to intimidate me?

They've already gotten under your skin... :-)


I simply point out the "error of their ways" (a metaphor) and illustrate
how mythical their fraternal-order rules are...rules kept long, long
after their validity has expired.

And of course your method doesn't work very well for changing anyone's
mind. But it works perfectly if you want to engage in some nose tweaking
for the sheer joy of irritating someone.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. The Coslo nose got tweaked, did it? :-)


The morse code test continues on in U.S. amateur radio regulations,
absolutely required for any authorized amateur radio transmissions
below 30 MHz.

So what?

The NCTA want that code test to discontinue. That should be
obvious.... :-)

No morse code test passing-for-authorization is required of any small
boat owner, pilot, land mobile radio operator, broadcaster, etc.,etc.,
etc. operating below 30 MHz.

No test at all is needed

Tell that to the FCC.

No morse code test passing-for-authorization is required for any
military personnel operating military radios below 30 MHz.

I suspect no test is needed, beyond training to operate the equipment.
Could be wrong.

You are, but I will not do any nose-tweaking lest the inflammation
spread... :-)

A half century ago there was NO requirement that military personnel
had to test for morsemanship to operate high-power HF transmitters
using then-state-of-the-art communications techniques. All us
signmalmen "got the message through" (familiar phrase of the Army
Signal Corps).

Citizens Band Radio Service operating below 30 MHz became legal
in 1958 in the USA, absolutely no morsemanship test involved. Not
only that, CB became licenseless a few years later. [1958 is 46 years
ago, back when nearly all radios still used vacuum tubes]

No test at all is required for Citizen' band radio.

No test was ever required for CB.


A half century ago, teleprinters were operating at continuous through-
put of 60 WPM. A decade later that was 100 WPM and FSK band-
width was decreased by half of that at 60 WPM. When solid-state
electronics became more prevalent, teleprinter started to become
known as "data" with sustained rates of 300 WPM, then 1200 WPM,
then 4800, 9600, and finally, 56K WPM...whether by wire or radio.

A half century ago, television in the USA was beginning to standardize
on color video transmission, then adding stereophonic audio (some time
after audio-only FM stereophonic transmission was standard). In time
analog video-audio gave way to improved picture-and-sound digital TV
with more information in the same EM bandwidth. International satellite
relay of communications was an accomplished fact four decades ago
and now all the "equatorial" comm sat orbital spots are filled. No
dependence on the vagaries of the ionosphere to do international
communications.

GPSS has been with the world (along with GLONASS) for two decades
and with civilian users for over a decade, yielding precise terrestrial
location determination AND precise time...all over radio. Radio clocks
are available at consumer electronics stores for under $30 that update
themselves automatically to precise time from several LF broadcast
services. No need to tie into wire services or listen on HF for precise
time...the little inexpensive radio clocks offer one-second-per-day
accuracy, along with calendar information without operator assistance.

The Internet went public in 1991, 13 years ago, and spread like wild-
fire to all parts of the world. Millions upon millions use the Internet
daily, geographic boundaries seldom a limit, with no disturbance from
the ionosphere affecting HF. It is mass communications worldwide.

Cellular telephony, enabled through radio, has become a standard
means of communications for Americans. So much so that one in
three Americans has a cellular telephone subscription...about 100
million using those tiny, low-microwave-radio-range, portable radios
to access the telephone infrastructure.

All that while, during a veritable many-quantum-level-jumps in
technology, U.S. amateur radio "qualifications" (test regulations)
have required the morsemanship ability test to authorize operation
below 30 MHz by amateurs. That is still required.

Can you say that U.S. amateur radio regulations (and testing) is
behind the times? It most certainly is. Has been for a long time.

No, i can't. Unless you are saying you want no testing at all for HF
access, your argument is only half formed.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Not good manners to carry that to extremes. :-)

What I am saying is that the morse code test should be eliminated.

That's all.

Trying to reduce the argument to extremes ("reducto ad absurdum")
of the absurd is NOT a reply.


State of radio art would not pe permitted in the ARS.

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Poor PCTA...they think the slightest negativism on their mythical
championship of morsemanhood is a "personal insult."

hmmm, then why do you think that I should condemn Steve so badly? He
is doing nothing that you do not do.

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Why do you keep inserting mentions of that person?


PCTA simply refuses to acknowledge that the world has advanced
and that amateur radio can no longer by "qualified" by radiotelegraphy
skill demonstrations. PCTA wound far too easily.

Respectfully disagree. You make the statement, please provide the
proof.

The evidence is all archived in Google. :-)


Proven wrong every time you post. I find it hard to understand why you
keep saying that sort of thing, when it obviously isn't the case.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nose got tweaked THAT hard, did it?


Not been my experience as a Ham. You see bad, and declare that all is
bad. I see bad, and continue looking until I find the good. It is there.

You are NOT acting like a Pollyanna. :-)

If you were "looking for the good," your tone would have been different.

As it is, you put all the PCTA extras in the "right" and all the others
in the "wrong." Tsk, tsk, tsk.

You *can* turn it around. You probably think I'm being condescending
again, huh?

What am I "supposed" to "turn around?"

What is IS. Try to live with that...it is all around you.

You are not entirely condescending in that reply. In parts you showed
arrogance in the "we PCTA are right and all you others are wrong"
attitude. Tsk.

No one is required to captitulate to some nebulous myth/ideals that
are all artificial. Try not to enforce such attitudes on others.