Subject: Doing Battle? Can't Resist Posting?
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/23/2004 11:57 AM Central Standard Time
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Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:
Then why do you support and condone their actions by saying
nothing against their egregious conduct?
That is simply incorrect. I have and still do disagree with what Steve
sometimes posts, and I have noted it to him. Jim has also, on more
occasions than me. We do not support or condone their actions.
What the issue is is that I (and presumably Jim) do not go after people
in the manner that you want us to. It isn't my style, and I won't change
it to suit you.
Now you've done it, Mike...
You'll now be "Mikie" amd what ever other diminutives he can create.
Tsk. You fail to understand simple sarcasm, Coslo.
Sarcasm doesn't work well in print.
It starts with using your last name like that, even though you continue to
address him civilly and by "Len".
No one is "oppressing" me.
BINGO! You post as you se fit.
Lennie is not "oppressed"...He's OPPRESIVE.
I'm simply persistent and confrontational on the issue of keeping a
morse code test for any radio license in this new millennium.
And in the end, accomplish very little. That test is likely to go away
in spite of your antagonism.
Exactly.
And when the Code test is officially defunct, he'll be in here
antagonizing over some other non-issue issue.
I simply point out the "error of their ways" (a metaphor) and illustrate
how mythical their fraternal-order rules are...rules kept long, long
after their validity has expired.
And of course your method doesn't work very well for changing anyone's
mind. But it works perfectly if you want to engage in some nose tweaking
for the sheer joy of irritating someone.
Of course everyone else is in "error", and only Lennie, the rear area
radio clerk in the 50's ex radio technician can see the REAL truth...
Not.
If the PCTA feel it so necessary to make all ham radio newcomers
learn morse to get a license, they should petition the FCC to rename
the ARS to what suits them - Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society.
Does knowing Morse code eliminate other forms of communication,
including modern ones? Old technology and new technology can coexist
with each other.
Irrelevant reasons.
The morse code test continues on in U.S. amateur radio regulations,
absolutely required for any authorized amateur radio transmissions
below 30 MHz.
So what?
Lennie continues to confuse AMATEUR RADIO for other services.
No morse code test passing-for-authorization is required of any small
boat owner, pilot, land mobile radio operator, broadcaster, etc.,etc.,
etc. operating below 30 MHz.
No test at all is needed
And again proof that he confuses AMATEUR RADIO for those other, limited
scope/specific purpose radio services.
No morse code test passing-for-authorization is required for any
military personnel operating military radios below 30 MHz.
I suspect no test is needed, beyond training to operate the equipment.
Could be wrong.
A half century ago there was NO requirement that military personnel
had to test for morsemanship to operate high-power HF transmitters
using then-state-of-the-art communications techniques. All us
signmalmen "got the message through" (familiar phrase of the Army
Signal Corps).
A "radio service" that was specifically designed to prosecute war. Not
engage the citizens of other nations in conversation.
Can you say that U.S. amateur radio regulations (and testing) is
behind the times? It most certainly is. Has been for a long time.
No, I can't. Unless you are saying you want no testing at all for HF
access, your argument is only half formed. If you ARE saying you want no
testing for the Amateur Radio service, Well, I *most* respectfully disagree!
I can't believe that Lennie has the gumption to say how antiquated Amateur
testing is when he's never TAKEN an Amateur test to be able to judge them by.
"Bad" in that it lags far beyond the state of the radio art...supported
only by the radio designers and manufacturers using developments
from the rest of radio to modernize amateur transceivers so that they
can best "work" on-off keyed carriers a la the 1920s.
State of radio art would not pe permitted in the ARS.
Yet another silly assertion by one who has no PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE in
Amateur Radio from which to make an INFORMED opinion.
That is a given. You must support your klan.
I do hope you use fitted sheets.
I there could be any uglier reference than to the Ku Klux Klan, I don;'t
know what it could be...Of course there's the Nazi Party, but then Lennie
usually reserves that one for me.
At least the NCTA and interested others don't call anyone names! ;^)
Poor PCTA...they think the slightest negativism on their mythical
championship of morsemanhood is a "personal insult."
hmmm, then why do you think that I should condemn Steve so badly? He is
doing nothing that you do not do.
Null.
"Negativism".
Lennie has a unique way of minimalizing his OWN insults.
And WHY does he have to even employ "negativism"...?!?! Hundreds of
tousands of people engage in Amateur Radio every day WITHOUT Morse Code and
don't ahve a single negative word to say about it...
I think it's becsue he doesn't have a clue as to what he's talking about.
PCTA simply refuses to acknowledge that the world has advanced
and that amateur radio can no longer by "qualified" by radiotelegraphy
skill demonstrations. PCTA wound far too easily.
Respectfully disagree. You make the statement, please provide the
proof.
It's too easy to DISprove his assertion, Mike.
Tune the bottom end of the HF bands on any given day.
For most folks, that rule-by-intimidation isn't comfortable, isn't
open, certainly isn't conducive (in any way) to discussion...the
intimidation consists mostly of diss and cuss at non-morse folks,
zero discussion.
hmmm, I don't see it that way at all. Well, everyone is entitled to
their opinion.
NOT in here, according to the little clique of PCTA "regulars."
ALL must do as they had to do...or be silent. "They rule."
Proven wrong every time you post. I find it hard to understand why you
keep saying that sort of thing, when it obviously isn't the case.
Being an idiot helps. Being arrogant perpetuates it.
They try to enforce their rule by any means possible, usually that of
the personal insult against anyone differing from their exhalted
opinion. Tsk.
Anyone that would be intimidated by *that* should probably avoid
Netnews! 8^)
Not conducive to a hobby activity. More conducive to a dictatorship.
Not been my experience as a Ham. You see bad, and declare that all is
bad. I see bad, and continue looking until I find the good. It is there.
I have to look REEEEEEEAL hard to see ANY "bad" in Amateur Radio.
Most of it, unfortunately, seems to be on the Left Coast. The 147.435MHz
repeater comes to mind. Richard Burton is another.
But then California seems to lend itself to that sort of childish
behaviour.
You *can* turn it around. You probably think I'm being condescending
again, huh?
Nope. Just polite clarity of thought and expression.
73
Steve, K4YZ