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September 24th 04, 08:30 PM

In article ,
(Mother Superior) writes:

Mike Coslo wrote in message
...
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Jimmie chastise nursie? Har!
The castisement is a very gentle slap on the wrist with a wet
noodle.

"Naughty boy, Steve, mustn't say such bad words!" will sum it up.

What would Len have us do, Mike?

Be "stand-up guys." So far, the "stand-up" looks like a Comedy Club
audition...

It is hard to control what Jim posts.

Not for me!

As Jimmie does, so should the world...

It would be a lot easier if you were the moderator.

I'm not the "moderator" in here. This is an open forum.

But Len wants to be the moderator. He seems to want to squelch all
opposition to his opinions.

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

WRONG.

INCORRECT.

IN ERROR.

FAULTY!

tsk

Problem is, a few do NOT want that...they want a cozy little chat
room filled only with their own kine. They are the ones polluting.

Len projects his own actions unto others.

I've projected slides, 8mm and 16mm movie film, opaque graphics,
and video.

None of those depicted me "in action." :-)

In my 7 years of reading rrap, I have seen only *one* case where
someone literally told someone else to "shut up". That was when Len
told K8MN to

"shut up, you little USMC feldwebel"

Oh, HORRORS! The calamity of such terrible, terrible activity!

Why, that obvious low-life should be taken out and shot for
DARING to speak up to mighty Lords of Radio!

:-)

October 2003, I think.

You think.

(If there are more, I missed them - some posters here are so verbose
it's just not practical to read everything they write).

Tsk. So revolting! Lord Gods of Radio should not stoop so low!

I couldn't agree more!

Then why do you support and condone their actions by saying
nothing against their egregious conduct?

That is simply incorrect. I have and still do disagree with what Steve
sometimes posts, and I have noted it to him. Jim has also, on more
occasions than me. We do not support or condone their actions.

What the issue is is that I (and presumably Jim) do not go after people
in the manner that you want us to. It isn't my style, and I won't change
it to suit you.

Nor will I.

Far be it for a mother superior to drag herself down to the scum-
sucking bottom-feeding mundane real people... :-)

Perhaps that is the real issue with Len. I think you hit on it some
posts back, Mike. The Len/Brian/Steve troika must get some kind of
return for all the name calling and insults. But that's obviously not
enough for Len, so he tries to get a similar setup going with you. It
would probably make him happy if you started calling him names,
insulting him personally, etc., because then he could return it in
kind and then some.

Tsk, tsk, and a tut, tut...

Lord High Gods of Radio are ABOVE such plebian pursuits.

THEY don't "do" such things as call anyone names...such as a
cute little Yiddish pejorative for "penis head," imply pedophilia
or homosexuality, nor (lately) imply any opposition is "guilty" of
spousal abuse. PCTA extras just don't DO such things, do they?

Of course not. The PCTA is way, way above such things, free
and open on everything...provided it all agrees with their view of
reality (distorted as it is).

But instead you just keep on being mild-mannered Mike, not backing
down but not returning in kind, either. You won't play his game or get
down to his level.

Tsk. "Down to 'his' level." :-)

Nor will I. Heck, I can't remember all the names Len has invented for
me to avoid calling me "Jim" or "N2EY". Let's see....there's "Jimmie"
(note the feminized ending), "Jimmie Who", "Rev. Jim", "negative j",
"Miccolis", etc.

Poor baby. Feel hurt do you? Tsk.

What purpose does all that serve?

:-)

Since the PCTA first had their hobby-orgasm over a code key.

I like Morse Code. In fact I probably *love* Morse Code. But the above
is just not correct.

Well, you go right ahead and just have a ball with morsemanship.

If that makes you feel oh-so-very superior, go for it.

Now explain why all YOUR personal favorite things MUST be the
standard for all to follow in the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society?

All you've implied so far is that all those that do not "love" your
favorite activities are so far beneath you that you almost have no
contempt of them...

They think that all radio communications revolves around morse
code and morsemanship.

Wrong again!

Yes, "wrong." The strident Lord High Gods of Radio(telegraphy) get on
computers and spew contempt for all those that do not believe in Them
or Their Wishes.

Sigh.

It hasn't been so for decades, but
they are Believers and will not listen to reason.

Note the equation of "reason" with "agree with Len".

Tsk, tsk, tsk. :-)

But I'm PCTA and aren't anywhere close to that.

Me neither.

Tsk. How could anyone possibly believe you to be far-to-the-left,
meter needle pinned and wrapped around the stop post, could be
anything but "fair?"

Someone should put a stop to such heretical thoughts...such as
the threat to use their "professional standing" to pick up a phone
and have the authorities come and cart away the doubters. :-)

Yet you've bought into the morsemanship-is-all ethos and condone
the polluters.

Not true at all.

Absolutely not! Tsk, tsk. Lord High Gods of Radio(telegraphy) along
with mother superiors are THE world. THEY determine what is "right"
and "wrong," not the ordinary mundane mortals of the citizenry being
so lowly/wrong for having independent thought. Tsk, again.

Please don't try to use political spin on what you've posted. You
aren't in the political pro leagues yet...they've had centuries to
perfect spin and are good at it.

hehe, political spin usually takes more than a one sentence paragraph.

That's why Len's posts are so long...

Yours is longer than everyone's... :-)

Governments (and all newsgroupies) should obey Them (the
PCTA that is) simply because the PCTA are.

that would be bad if these folk are oppressing you. But as the
(probably) most prolific poster here, how can that be?

Tsk. You fail to understand simple sarcasm, Coslo.

Sarcasm doesn't work well in print.

No one is "oppressing" me.

BINGO! You post as you se fit.

Yet Len tells others here to shut up - literally, as in the
"feldwebel" post, and in other ways as well.

Poor baby. Tell a snarly nasty arrogant Lord High God of Radio to
"shut up?"

Oh, my...capital offense! Death to the Unbelievers!

I'm simply persistent and confrontational on the issue of keeping a
morse code test for any radio license in this new millennium.

Without ever telling us why.

Of course "no other reasons ALREADY posted" are sufficient for the
Lord High Gods of Radio(telegraphy). :-)

THEY have decreed that radiotelegraphy is the ne plus ultra, the
Ultima Thule of the amateur radio arts. All who disbelieve "must
prove" the Lord High Gods wrong... :-)

And of course your method doesn't work very well for changing anyone's
mind. But it works perfectly if you want to engage in some nose tweaking
for the sheer joy of irritating someone.

Which says it all, really.

Tsk. The "Tycho Brahe" of the newsgroup need a new nose?

* Tycho Brahe was a north European astrologer-astronomer who wore
a brass nose to cover up loss of nose due to infection during childhood.
The crater Tycho on the Moon is named for him.

If the PCTA feel it so necessary to make all ham radio newcomers
learn morse to get a license, they should petition the FCC to rename
the ARS to what suits them - Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society.

Does knowing Morse code eliminate other forms of communication,
including modern ones? Old technology and new technology can coexist
with each other.

Irrelevant reasons.

Says who?

Says me. [did you think someone else wrote my post? :-) ]

The morse code test continues on in U.S. amateur radio regulations,
absolutely required for any authorized amateur radio transmissions
below 30 MHz.

So what?

No morse code test passing-for-authorization is required of any small
boat owner, pilot, land mobile radio operator, broadcaster, etc.,etc.,
etc. operating below 30 MHz.

No test at all is needed

Those are other radio services, not amateur radio.

Yes. Shun the "others." Those "others" never apply to saintly, noble
Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society ethos and mores.

The Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society is the only living museum of
ancient skills of the "pioneers" of radio, overly-proud, the few good
men of the corps(e) that once was.

Amateur radio is different from those other services. For example,
we're allowed to design/build/repair/align and operate our stations
without any certification or other "type approval" rules. We aren't
limited to predefined channels or spot frequencies, except on 60
meters. We have a large selection of modes and techniques available,
with very few regulations hindering them.

Tsk. If Spark wasn't outlawed, the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society
would stil be using spark methods and have a long parchment roll
of rationalizations to do so... :-)

A half century ago there was NO requirement that military personnel
had to test for morsemanship to operate high-power HF transmitters
using then-state-of-the-art communications techniques. All us
signmalmen "got the message through" (familiar phrase of the Army
Signal Corps).

Here we see a typical example of Len-distortion.

Poor baby. Never served, did you? Never were involved in any military
communications...or even government communications, were you?

What have you to "judge" on all that? Three decades of being an
amateur, a hobbyist, a dilletante in radiotelegraphy?

He's obviously talking about his time at ADA.

Tsk. That only BEGAN my HF radio experience...a half century
ago. My radio communications experience has continued ever
since through many locations, many parts of the EM spectrum.

More tsk. For one who tried to be a hip mother superior with
the distorted quote of "It ain't braggin' if ya done it," you are
certainly the hypocrite.

You fail to see that I did it and am not bragging about it.

But, since you didn't, you have to denigrate it to remain a
mother superior.

Now - did the US Army not use any morse code after 1952?
How about the US Navy? COast Guard? Air Force? Marines?

How can the mother superior judge? Were you involved in any
of those military communications activities?

Tsk. You've not claimed anything in that regard.

Citizens Band Radio Service operating below 30 MHz became legal
in 1958 in the USA, absolutely no morsemanship test involved. Not
only that, CB became licenseless a few years later. [1958 is 46 years
ago, back when nearly all radios still used vacuum tubes]

More distortions.

Just like the FCC is a "distortion." :-)

FCC began Class D Citizens Band Radio Service in 1958. There was
NEVER any test involved in geting the first licenses for Class D CB.

27 MHz cb was and is limited to low power using only approved
equipment on a set of channels all close in frequency. No transmitter
adjustments at all except channel selection. No homebrewing allowed,
no modifications to equipment allowed. And the license requirement was
dropped in the 1970s, almost 20 years after the 27 MHz channels were
authorized.

And now there are millions of CB radios being used every day. :-)

Mothers superior don't want to acknowledge any of that...it is
below them. :-)

Most important of all, cb is hardly the example amateur radio should
follow.

No one said it should. :-)

Feel free to manufacture all the false motives you wish...you've already
done that "countless times." :-)

CB transmits on the ancient, once-upon-a-time amateur 11m band.
That band is located within the HF spectrum. No morse code test
is required to prove "qualifications" to transmit in that HF band. :-)

No test at all is required for Citizen' band radio.

Perhaps Len wants *all* amateur radio tests eliminated.

Tsk, tsk. More FALSE and MISLEADING manufactured "motive."

Poor baby...if you check back through DejaNews or Google archives
you will find that I've advocated larger, harder written tests for U.S.
amateur radio. I've also advocated having the VEC QPC use a far
larger than 10-minimum-questions in the QPC.

As Hans likes to say, "Sunnuvagun!"

"Teleprinters" (which we hams call "RTTY machines" were large, heavy,
noisy and very expensive. Most hams could not afford to buy them and
their related equipment new. Some hams had machines through surplus
and MARS channels, but until the PC era, RTTY modes were pretty much a
limited specialty in ham radio.

Do you think Len ever bought a new teleprinter for hobby use with his
own money?

Actually, THREE, but not for radio hobby use. As substitutes for
formerly-expensive TDDs (Telecommunication Devices for the Deaf).
All from Western Union surplus. Helping out retired telephone
workers doing charitable service about two decades ago.

If you wish to call a charitable service a "hobby," feel free.

I know you just love to manufacture falsies in regards to my activities,
so get your production line in order...

GPSS has been with the world (along with GLONASS) for two decades
and with civilian users for over a decade, yielding precise terrestrial
location determination AND precise time...all over radio. Radio clocks
are available at consumer electronics stores for under $30 that update
themselves automatically to precise time from several LF broadcast
services. No need to tie into wire services or listen on HF for
precise
time...the little inexpensive radio clocks offer one-second-per-day
accuracy, along with calendar information without operator assistance.

Should WWV be shut down?

Troll, troll, troll your boat...

My, my, your troll R&D is working overtime. Tsk.

The Internet went public in 1991, 13 years ago, and spread like wild-
fire to all parts of the world. Millions upon millions use the
Internet
daily, geographic boundaries seldom a limit, with no disturbance from
the ionosphere affecting HF. It is mass communications worldwide.

And it's not radio.

WRONG. It's "radio" if it has a wireless link. :-)

Has the internet replaced amateur radio?

Some of it. Mother superior is in here writing long epistles of ancient
times...instead of operating all those ham thingies... :-)

Cellular telephony, enabled through radio, has become a standard
means of communications for Americans. So much so that one in
three Americans has a cellular telephone subscription...about 100
million using those tiny, low-microwave-radio-range, portable radios
to access the telephone infrastructure.

Not on HF either.

HF too limited for mass communications of millions of two-way
communications users.

Do you wish all 100 million cell phone users to take a morse code
test to "prove their dedication and committment to radio?" :-)

All that while, during a veritable many-quantum-level-jumps in
technology, U.S. amateur radio "qualifications" (test regulations)
have required the morsemanship ability test to authorize operation
below 30 MHz by amateurs. That is still required.

That's a good thing.

INCORRECT.

PROVE YOUR WORK.

Can you say that U.S. amateur radio regulations (and testing) is
behind the times?

Nope.

YUP. You've still not changed the ARS name to Archaic Radiotelegraphy
Society...

It most certainly is.

Not at all.

Tsk, tsk. This year is 2004, not 1934. :-)

Hams still use Morse Code. Extensively. Therefore, a Morse Code test
is appropriate.

WRONG.

ERROR.

FAILURE.

What is bad about history? What is bad about doing what someone likes
to do?

Tsk. Why do you wish to force all amateur newcomers to do as you
did long ago?

Why are you so important that all must follow your example?

Tsk, tsk. If morse code use is "so much fun," then its use will
continue on its own sake...NO morse code test is necessary.
As Cecil Moore used to say in here "What's wrong with live and let
live?" [Cecil is a NCTA]

The World Radio Conference of 2003 agreed and dropped the
international administrative requirement for morse code tests of all
amateur radio licenses having operating privileges below 30 MHz.

As Hans likes to say "Sunnuvagun!"