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October 8th 04, 11:16 PM

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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
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Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 10/7/2004 6:33 PM Central Standard Time
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In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 10/5/2004 6:28 AM Central Standard Time
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In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article ,

More tsk. My choice of residence location is NOT primarily
motivated by any slavering desire to erect a radio station of
any kind.

Great. It looks like you've got your wish.

Ahhhhhh! But he CAN report to us on the VHF navaids from LAX! Oh
joy!

Some people are into that...

After thinking about it, it makes sense....The ATIS and AWOS systems
repeat the same thing over and over and over...Kinda like Lennie's posts.

True!

Tsk. Jimmie has ALL that "experience" on civil airways to "qualify" his
comments. That's just like all his "experience" in the space business.

Jimmie should make an AOL homepage describing all his space
adventures. It's real easy to do and AOL has free software to do it.

:-)

I'm still waiting for Lennie to regale us with what RF devices our lives
can't do without that he allegedly had a hand in creating.

Again, not the issue.

Sure it is, Jim!

No, it isn't.

Suppose some nonham "had a hand in creating" the cell phone, or the
802.11G modem, or the RF ID tag reader used on containers, trucks and
railcars, or a host of other things. Does that *technical* achievement
somehow make him/her the most qualified person to set the rules and
regs in *amateur* radio?

Ham radio regulations are to be regulated SOLELY by hams?

Tsk. FCC do dat. For EVERY civil radio service. It's the law.

But hum raddio is "different." :-)

Lennie has insisted that his "professional" career was far more productive
and useful than anything Amateurs do.

Where did he do that?

What I have seen is numerous verbose listings of his employers, and
projects he was part of. That's all.

Yes, I've named employers and some work done. I was there and
did those things.

Where did Jimmie do his engineering work on radio?

I want to know WHAT it was he thinks he
did that is so useful? What is in my home or what do I use on a daily basis
that has HIS direct participation in that I can't do without?

Don't hold yer breath!

Tsk. There's NOTHING about what either one of you has done that
affected my home or what I use on a daily basis. Nada. Zip.

Lennie's "contribution" to radio was getting coffee for and staying out of
the way of the REAL radio professionals as they did REAL engineering and
design work.

How do you know that, Steve?

From the opinions of someone who knew him and worked in the same facility
as he.

OK - let's say, just for the point of discussion, that your source is
right on the money.

Just for the point of the discussion consider that nursie is a LIAR.

Nursie has NO such name. That individual is a fabrication of his
fantasy world.

Nursie CAN'T name any names becuase no such person exists.

That only covers one time period at one facility. Len tells us he has
worked a lot of places over a long period of time. One
less-than-stellar job does not a career ruin.

Tsk. "Less-than-stellar." :-)

I completed a career, don't have to put in regular hours anymore.

Don't you just HATE it when someone ruins your ranting? :-)

Besides - it's not the issue.

It is as long as Lennie keeps trying to throw his "professional" weight
around.

No, it isn't.

It seems to be nursie's core of existance in this newsgroup. :-)

In Len's case we have an extreme example:

[in Jimmie's case he is the "stellar example" of what a "real ham" is]

He's never had an amateur radio license

True.

Never worked as any sort of licensed radio operator in any other radio
service

WRONG. INCORRECT. ERROR!

Never been involved in radio regulatory matters other than writing
voluminous comments to FCC,

Tsk. Jimmie hasn't been any sort of radio regulator.

Never manufactured or designed any equipment for hams

Did Jimmie do dat? :-)

Hasn't written an article or done a visible project in amateur radio
circles for more than 22 years

I quit going around in circles. :-)

And by his numerous mistakes in his postings here, doesn't really know
that much about what hams actually do on the radio in the first place.
(Note his continuing non-understanding of why phase noise is an issue
for HF hams).

My visa for Fantasy Island has expired, don't know what "hams
actually do on the radio in the first place" because I couldn't
possibly be first place. All I can do is hear them. | snore |

Tsk. Radio physics must have changed in Jimmie's fantasy ham
world. "Kay-tee-delta-eff" is still there as the major sensitivity
limiter for all other radios (aka "Johnson noise" or whatever anyone
wants to call random, above-absolute-zero noise voltage in
components).

Jimmie's ham world doesn't have buzzwords. It has only the most
modern of things. Like kluge-looking transceivers built from recycled
parts and tubes in the 1990s.

Yet he tries to tell us that his professional background somehow makes
him more qualified than to determine *amateur radio* policy than any
of us hams.

NOBODY can tell a PCTA extra ANYTHING! :-)

THEY rule amateur radio! [the FCC is just a federal agency, not
involved?]

NO FCC staffer or commissioner is required to have any amateur
radio license.

It would be like me, a male non-golfer, saying that I know best how
the LPGA should be run. Or that the folks who run the cruise ships
should determine policy for sailboats.

Riiiight, Tiger. Good luck on your new marriage and PGA next year.

The entire argument is faulty.

PCTA extras enoble themselves to sit on "judge" benches. :-)

It's not an issue of whether Len is/was
a "hotshot" but rather how valid his arguments are.

Jimmie says everything I say is "wrong" and "in error." :-)

Well, it's hard to argue with someone who "serves his country" by
engaging in the hobby of ham radio...

The rest is diversion and bafflegab.

It would be like me, a male non-golfer, saying that I know best how
the LPGA should be run. Or that the folks who run the cruise ships
should determine policy for sailboats.

Tsk, despite saying that twice, the point wasn't made.

Like it or no, the FCC still does NOT require any staffer or
commissioner to hold an amateur radio license in order to regulate
U.S. ham radio.

Don't you just HATE it when someone brings reality into a simple
little rant you have?

The central issue is whether his proposed changes would help or hurt
the ARS. I say they would hurt the ARS.

The Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society (ARS) will be fatally hurt by
removal of the code test for any ham license.

It will be the End of The World As They Know It. Bye....