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Old October 15th 04, 06:14 AM
Dave Heil
 
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Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(William) writes:


There's somewhat the same keyboard lock-out at maximum rate
in the Model 28s and later that are 100 WPM maximums. Few
touch typists can go that fast except in bursts.


That's incorrect, Leonard. Anyone who has spent more than a year
steadily poking tape on a 28 can reasonably be expected to type at or
near the machine's maximum capability.

It's a fact, visible to anyone around a real communications center,
that p-tape is what is used for continuous throughput.


Yep, paper or mylar (for tapes used frequently). Trouble is, someone
has to input that information to the tape without errors. Someone has
to manually assign Message Reference Numbers and (for those who use
them) Message Continuity Numbers. Someone has to look up the routers
for stations infrequently addressed. There's a lot more to this
"continuous throughput" than you've indicated.


Yes...the transmitting distributors do their thing all by themselves.
One racked-up tape will start pushing through as soon as the
other reader finishes...

Sunnuvagun! :-)


Indeed. You managed to cobble together a paragraph which doesn't
address my comments at all.

Tsk. All the morsemen "know" that they do near-perfect copy
every single time at high rates. :-)


Tsk. I've not seen that written except by you. RTTY is only as perfect
as a the typist who inputs the material and then only if there are no
noise bursts to create additional errors.

All you mighty macho morsemen can do 100 WPM throughput
for hours and hours continuously... :-)


Really?

As with CW circuits, RTTY circuits are subject to receiving errors and
to transmitting errors. Multipath distortion or "echo" can leave an
RTTY circuit useless when the same distortion has little effect on a
morse circuit.


Wow, World's Greatest DXer spouting propagation effects!


Is he here too? Why, I was spouting propagation effects myself! I
happen to know quite a bit about it. Maybe the World's Greatest DXer
and myself can get together and give you a few pointers on the subject.

Guess that's why all the other radio services abandoned RTTY
and took up morse on-off carrier keying, wasn't it? :-)

Oh, no, wait...it was the other way around!

Sunnuvagun!


I'm not too concerned with what other radio services do. I'll continue
to enjoy the use of morse. I do hope that's all right with you.

Uh...Len? You're not doing much communicating via amateur radio, are
you?


Can't do that legally, World's Greatest DXer. Not on the ham bands.


Is he here? Funny, that's my view of you too.

I'm just as legal as anything on HF in other radio services. :-)


"Other" radio services, huh? I'm sure you're having a ball on lots of
them.

Does the fact that morse remains a popular mode, in wide use by radio
amateurs bother you?


No. Amateurs are the LAST vestige of morsemanship in radio.


You say "No" but continue with the "LAST vestige" stuff. It sounds as
if you're bothered by the use of morse by radio amateurs.

If amateurs want to keep on recreating the past over and over again,
then I say "have fun, kiddies." Enjoy.


We're not "kiddies", Len and you aren't one of us. I'm not recreating
anything. I'm using something which is there. Are you recreating when
you use SSB, AM or FM?

When you PCTA extra blowhards start spouting all the BS about
morsemanship is "necessary" to operate...other than the legal
requirement...on HF, then it's time to send a good old raspberry
to those stuffed-shirt, self-important, olde-tymers who don't have
much but morsemanship to be proud of...


Don't let it worry you, Leonard. You aren't involved in the slightest.
You are to amateur radio what a chainsaw is to a symphony.

All those amateur morseaholics aren't taking any test when they
are busy keying. What is at stake is whether or not a morse test
has any validity for any amateur radio license test. The FCC doesn't
think so, didn't think so several years ago.


Why should any of that concern you? You aren't in. You aren't getting
in. The FCC doesn't seem to have taken any action except to reduce the
HF morse testing speed to 5 wpm. Why do you think that is?

But, big World's Greatest DXer, you aren't pleased with that answer,
are you?


Is he here too? I'll bet he could give you some valueable insight as to
how to better use your venerable R-70.

You will go right ahead with your "not licensed" schtick...


Yes, I will. It happens to be true. You aren't in. You have no plans
to get in. You have no experience in amateur radio. You have no stake
in amateur radio.

and do personal attacks against any NCTA...because that is the
way you are


That's not quite correct. I'll be happy to take shots at you though.
It doesn't seem to matter if people take pokes at you or razz you or if
they are civil to you. You continue to insult and demean. You deserve
everything you get here, poor old piranha.

...another representative of the PCTA olde-fahrts who
demand that all have to endure the test YOU had to do long ago.


You can't possibly endure the test I had to take. The test I had to
take isn't being given any longer. You can't even take the same written
test.
You're an old fart, Len and you're on the periphery of amateur radio. I
suppose you'll stay there.

Dave K8MN