In article , Dave Heil
writes:
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Dave Heil
writes:
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article ,
(William) writes:
There's somewhat the same keyboard lock-out at maximum rate
in the Model 28s and later that are 100 WPM maximums. Few
touch typists can go that fast except in bursts.
That's incorrect, Leonard. Anyone who has spent more than a year
steadily poking tape on a 28 can reasonably be expected to type at or
near the machine's maximum capability.
It's a fact, visible to anyone around a real communications center,
that p-tape is what is used for continuous throughput.
Yep, paper or mylar (for tapes used frequently). Trouble is, someone
has to input that information to the tape without errors. Someone has
to manually assign Message Reference Numbers and (for those who use
them) Message Continuity Numbers. Someone has to look up the routers
for stations infrequently addressed. There's a lot more to this
"continuous throughput" than you've indicated.
Yes...the transmitting distributors do their thing all by themselves.
One racked-up tape will start pushing through as soon as the
other reader finishes...
Sunnuvagun! :-)
Indeed. You managed to cobble together a paragraph which doesn't
address my comments at all.
Tsk. One is REQUIRED to "address your comments," your
royalness? :-)
Tsk. All the morsemen "know" that they do near-perfect copy
every single time at high rates. :-)
Tsk. I've not seen that written except by you. RTTY is only as perfect
as a the typist who inputs the material and then only if there are no
noise bursts to create additional errors.
Tsk, you don't "see" much... :-)
More tsk...you forget that a p-tape TTY message can be read,
scanned, checked, changed if needed by a new tape, checked
all over again...usually at a message center or central before
sent as RTTY. Or done "off line" at a ham station just like a PC
e-mail message. The obvious advantage is that the outgoing
message as well as the incoming reply can be stored easily
without resorting to a paper form.
Those "noise bursts" affect manual morse reception as well,
unless the sending rate is so slow that it occurs between dots.
Technical tsk: The noise bursts are primarily of amplitude. They
do have some wideband frequency content, but the common noise
experienced at home hobby ham stations is primarily impulse noise
with more amplitude (think AM) content that have less effect on
Frequency Shift Keying. (think FM)
RTTY can be resent easily and quickly without resorting to any
paper. At 100 WPM continuous rates that still goes faster than
common manual morse. Special character coding can include
FEC (Forward Error Correction) or ECC (Error Correction), the latter
able to automatically correct singular bit errors and to indicate
double bit errors.
The claim by many morsemen is that "CW gets through when
nothing else will..." which is a hoary old myth dating from about
the 1930s and morsemen bragging that they were better than the
voice communicators. The only conclusion on "noise burst" circuit
problems is that most of those morsemen were "filling in the blanks"
and not doing real copy. :-)
Despite all your negative criticism against non-morse communications
methods, all the other radio services engaged in communications
have dropped morse on-off keying modes. On-off keying of a carrier
just doesn't cut it in the communications world of now.
I'm not too concerned with what other radio services do. I'll continue
to enjoy the use of morse. I do hope that's all right with you.
Enjoy it all you want. I was never against any morse USE...only
against the TEST for same for radio operator licenses.
If you want to claim extraordinary or even ordinary prowess of
superhuman (or even ordinary superior human) ability, feel free to
brag up a storm complete with your usual windy rhetoric.
None of that arrogant thundering is any sort of case to retain the
old morse manual test for licensing for any newcomers.
"Other" radio services, huh? I'm sure you're having a ball on lots of
them.
I have. :-)
No. Amateurs are the LAST vestige of morsemanship in radio.
You say "No" but continue with the "LAST vestige" stuff. It sounds as
if you're bothered by the use of morse by radio amateurs.
Tsk. No. Only by the excessive self-righteous self-proclaimed
superiority (as a 1930s expert radio morseman) and expecting
all others to emulate your mighty and superior accomplishments.
What YOU had to do long ago to get your license just does not
apply to the radio world of now. The higher morse rate testing was
an artificiality of old, a left-over from the past when the only method
of radio communications was by on-off keying.
We're not "kiddies", Len and you aren't one of us. I'm not recreating
anything. I'm using something which is there.
Tsk. You are acting the usual arrogant bully when expecting all
to agree with your idea of what constitutes "fun" in ham radio.
All those old, tired, worn-out, dead cliches about "absolutely
needing to prove manual morse capability to work HF" is just a
heap of artificial BS left over from earlier times...repeated and
repeated and repeated by the ARRL for so long that the league
lost sight (and hearing) of what it originally meant.
If you and the other mighty morsemen want to preserve and protect
morsemanship through required manual morse testing, then you
had best petition the FCC for changing the ARS to the Archaic
Radiotelegraphy Society. That's what the HF part of U.S. ham
radio became decades ago. That's what the testing requlations
required. A name change would make the ARS more meaningful
to what it was.
Don't let it worry you, Leonard. You aren't involved in the slightest.
You are to amateur radio what a chainsaw is to a symphony.
Tsk, tsk. Mike Coslo had an innovative use for a chainsaw as
a shallow trench maker for radial wires. You didn't like that. :-)
I'm sure you look down your nose at all who don't agree what you
consider is vital to ham radio enjoyment...that's been demonstrated
in your on-going comments to all who have different interests in here.
Why should any of that concern you? You aren't in.
Don't have to be "in." :-)
The FCC regulates U.S. civil radio. The laws of the USA don't
require the FCC commissioners or staff to hold amateur radio
licenses in order to regulate U.S. amateur radio.
Despite your mighty brass-section trumpeting about "needing to
be 'in' in order to 'direct things' in ham radio," YOU are NOT a
radio regulator. YOU are nothing but a mighty wind section
demanding all go along with your ideas, conceptions, and general
wild hairs of what 'should be done' and 'who is allowed to regulate
it.' :-)
Not an orchestra by any means, just a bad brass band, out of
step with the times yet demanding that all keep the old things.
You aren't getting in.
Are you going to STOP me?!? Oh, my. Tsk.
The FCC doesn't seem to have taken any action except to reduce the
HF morse testing speed to 5 wpm. Why do you think that is?
They seem to be overwhelmed by the olde-fahrt olde-tymer
morsemen who are blindly believing in the morse religion and
have filled the ECFS' 18 petition commentary with same. :-)
Is he here too? I'll bet he could give you some valueable insight as to
how to better use your venerable R-70.
That general purpose receiver is still working as good as it did
when I bought it and when I tested it to its factory specifications
shortly thereafter. Icom has a good product there.
Tsk. Two NCTAs in here having the same Icom receiver (both still
working) seems to be a sore point with you. Poor baby. Go play
with your Orion, why don't you? That ready-made will bring you up
to the "state of the art!" :-)
You will go right ahead with your "not licensed" schtick...
Yes, I will. It happens to be true.
No, it is NOT "true." You don't regulate U.S. amateur radio. All
you are is an olde-tymer snarling about all having to do as you did
before they are allowed to talk about it, discuss it, or anything
else.
Tsk. Elementary civics teaches us that U.S. federal laws are
open for dicsussion by all citizens according to the First Amendment
of the U.S. Constitution. You seek to BAR any citizen from talking
about regulations of radio hobby licensing. You aren't any member of
any bar association, so don't try to throw your weight around where
you are weightless.
You aren't in. You have no plans to get in.
Tsk. I don't tell all in here. :-)
Neither am I required to tell YOU on YOUR demand about anything.
Heh heh heh. Ever the demanding arrogance of someone who likes
to push folks around.
First Amendment. Refresh your memory with what it means.
Feel free to review Title 47 C.F.R. Part 97 and show us all where
ONLY already-licensed radio amateurs can talk or discuss the
amateur radio regulations. Show your work.
You have no experience in amateur radio.
I have MUCH experience in RADIO. It's true that I have no amateur
radio license. It's also true that I have a commercial radio operator
license and had several other radio licenses.
See Part 97 again and tell us all the sub-part that allows ONLY
already-licensed radio amateurs to talk about amateur radio.
You have no stake in amateur radio.
Tsk. There you go again DEMANDING a "stake!"
Be advised that von Helsing may give YOU a stake.
Wooden. [I would suggest wormwood as fitting...]
It doesn't seem to matter if people take pokes at you or razz you or if
they are civil to you.
Heh heh heh heh. I'm a long-time veteran of computer-modem
communications with a survivor's thick virtual skin. :-)
But, very very FEW PCTAs in here have been civil to me. Begin
with Jim Kehler, continue through assorted types who couldn't
take it in here and left, on through a couple of now-deceased
PCTAs who weren't able to continue for obvious reasons.
ALL of them insisted and insisted and insisted that the morse
code test "must" stay...as "tradition," as a number of invalid
reasons, but (unvoiced) was the real reason, that of making all
newcomers jump through the same hoops they had to jump
through.
You continue to insult and demean.
Tsk. I return fire with fire. :-)
You don't like it because you imperiously demand that all the
"firing" be yours against others. Tsk.
You deserve everything you get here, poor old piranha.
Tsk. Someone wrote that all were "civil TO me?" :-)
Hello? Can you understand 'hypocrisy?' :-)
You can't possibly endure the test I had to take.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!
The test I had to take isn't being given any longer.
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You can't even take the same written test.
No need, is there? Tsk, tsk.
You're an old fart, Len and you're on the periphery of amateur radio.
I did have some bean soup a couple days ago. Black bean.
Very good with a salad and a sandwich. No flatulence, though.
I come in here and sense a great deal of flatulence from you
olde-tymers boasting that NOBODY "could endure the kind of
test they endured."
Funny as hell, this newsgroup. :-)
I suppose you'll stay there.
Maybe I will. Maybe I won't.
Either way, YOU have NO CONTROL over it!
Sunnuvagun! :-)