In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article ,

(Len Over 21) writes:

In article , Robert Casey
writes:

One could sumise that if all the other ships in the area were
taking it slow, Titanic should have taken heed and go slow
as well. One doesn't have to have knowledge of a field to
realize that. I'm sure that the ship's owners would have preferred
and understood a late but intact Titanic at the destination.
Maybe the ship was "unsinkable" but I wouldn't want to test
that with paying passangers aboard.

Robert, I will agree with you, but what happened to the Titanic
NINETY-TWO YEARS AGO isn't really a subject of this
newsgroup and doesn't come close (maybe a couple of light-
years) to amateur radio policy. :-)

So what, Len? Much of what you talk about doesn't come close to amateur
radio policy either.

That anyone should chide another on OT posting here in rrap is mildly
amusing.

Agreed! Len does more OT posting than anybody, yet complains the loudest
when
others do it. Just another example of his double standard, do as Len says
not as Len does mentality.

Tsk.

What's the matter, Len? (if you want to be called something other than Len, say
so in clear direct language, please).

What I wrote about your behavior here is true. Anyone who reads rrap can see
it. - you post off-topic more than anybody. Then you complain about others'
off-topic posting. Double standard - it's OK for Len but not OK for others.

You also do more old-timer posting, too...

I say enjoy the hobby.

Which one? I have several.

I say don't try to force archaic, imaginary
needs in testing for an amateur radio license just because some
olde-tymers had to do it.

I don't. Not in any way. Never have.

You have formally requested that FCC institute an age requirement of 14 years
to get any class of amateur radio license. You've argued that idea here, too,
and accused VEs of fraud in the licensing of young children. Yet when
challenged, you could not name even one single incident where the youth of an
amateur radio operator was a factor in any sort of rules violation.

There has never been an age requirement for an amateur radio license in the USA
- even in 1912. Canada had an age requirement, but dropped it as unnecessary.

After all, it was *you* who wrote:

"I've always had trouble with integrating "youngsters" in what is a
primarily _adult_ skill/technique recreational activity."

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...utput=gpla in

So what it comes down to is that FCC should adopt new rules because *you* have
a problem dealing with young people....

If anyone tries "to force archaic, imaginary needs in testing for an amateur
radio license", it's *you*, Len.

I say enjoy freedom.

I do, Len. With freedom comes responsibility, and the recognition of other
people's freedoms.

For example, there's freedom of speech and freedom of the press, both of which
are evident here on Usenet. Anybody with internet access can post their words
to these newsgroups. No license required! You've exercised freedom to post on
Usenet with great frequency and volume...

Yet you've also told others here to shut up simply because they disagreed with
you. You say this to people who have *never* told you to shut up in any way,
shape or form.

Sometimes you say it indirectly, but at least once you've come out and told
someone to "shut the hell up". Which shows how you really feel about freedom:
it's fine for those who agree with you but not for others. Double standard.

I say try to keep up with the technology.

Which technology? What does "try to keep up" really mean? Is it OK to use a
design or components that are 5 years old? 10 years old? 20 years old? 30 years
old? Where's the dividing line?

Does "keeping up with the technology" include using MS Paint to make
"professional" PC boards?

Who decides that a particular technology is not to be used any more?

You criticize the homebrew radio projects of others, but have none of your own
to show. Instead, you go on at length about a 20+ year old manufactured
receiver, and how you bought it for cash. Do as Len says, not as Len does...

I say the technology isn't restricted solely to what ARRL publishes.

I don't know anybody who says it is. ARRL publications are an excellent source
of information, designs, and ideas, though.

Is that "bad mentality?"

Not at all! But your behavior here doesn't match those words.

Or would you rather everyone be subject
to rule by the raddio kopps carrying dazzling bright kopp badges?

Who are they, Len? Can't be me - I'm not a "kopp" and I have no "badges".

[that way you could get to push around others who don't agree
with you and your opinions - which you call "facts"]

That's a pretty good description of what *you* try to do here, Len. Not me.

Do I do "OT posting more than anybody?" No.

Yes, you do. Don't you ever read what you write?

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

The trouble is, you criticize others for doing exactly what *you* do, even
though you do it more.

Do as Len says, not as Len does. Double standard.

If I DO talk about old time (OT) subjects it is for a reason of
explanation since I've DONE those things and have first-hand
experience.

You also talk a lot about old-time stuff you have *not* done and were *not* a
part of. Also off-topic stuff you have *not* done and were *not* a part of.

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

The trouble is, you criticize others for doing exactly what *you* do, even
though you do it more.

Do as Len says, not as Len does. Double standard.

Is it somehow OK to post off-topic if someone has done a thing, but not OK if
it wasn't a personal experience?

If so, why do you post about things you haven't personally experienced?

If not, what's *your* problem?

I don't need "confirmation" from any "league"
organization to "document" it. :-)

What does that mean?

When that someone is part of the Lennie/Steve/Brian-William
troika in *their* ongoing whizzing contest is much more amusing.

Agreed!

The denials are almost funny.

No. Tragic.

You're as much a part of it, and cause of it, as the other two, Len.

Can't you deal with Steve, K4YZ? Do you need my help?

The damp hankie slap on nursie's wrist isn't very
good therapy, "doctor" Jimmie.

I'm not a doctor. And I prefer to be called "Jim" or "N2EY" or "Jim/N2EY" in
amateur radio discussions.

Well, except to some who wish to turn this newsgroup into
a quasi-private Chat Room involving their own desires and
preferences..and to have them damn all others for not thinking
and feeling as they do. [yourself excluded]

That's a pretty good summation of what *you* want from this newsgroup,
Len. After all, you're the one telling other people to "shut the hell
up"..

I've thought that Lenover21 wanted to be the moderator in here. He
claims otherwise.

It's how he acts that makes the claims ring hollow. Perhaps it's time to
repost the "feldwebel" classic...

Poor baby. Losing your "group leader" self-imposed title?

Not me, Len. You're the one telling people to "shut the hell up", and
determining what is and is not acceptable subject of discussion here.

For the bleeding-heart imaginary sailors aboard, I won't cry
great crocodile tears of a thousand-plus humans who perished
on the Titanic in 1912. Nope.

"Bleeding-heart imaginary sailors"? Who would that be?

Yeah, what's with that?

Len's trying to cover up his gaffe of laughing at them.

Tsk, tsk. I don't, have never "laughed" at innocent victims of
anything.

Yes, you did.

When it was suggested that all would have survived if the Titanic had hit the
iceberg head-on rather than trying to turn away, you laughed and made fun of
the idea. Even though it has been validated by computer simulations, and by the
actual experiences of the liner Niagara three days before Titanic sank - in the
same ice field. (Niagara, an older and less-state-of-the-art liner, rammed into
an iceberg, crumpling the bow and tossing everyone aboard about. The captain
initially feared the worst and radio distress calls were sent out. But the
damage was such that the distress calls were rescinded and Niagara made it to
New York without the death or serious injury of any passengers).

What you've just said above is a damned LIE, sweetums.

No, it isn't.

At worst, it might be a mistake.

But I don't think it is:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...001133%40mb-m0
1.aol.com&output=gplain


http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...001131%40mb-m0
1.aol.com&output=gplain

Not unexpected from the Wrong Reverend Jimmie Who. It was
bound to happen that - as "led" by that other shining example of
modern U.S. hamdom, the gunnery nurse.

Why all the name calling, Len?

What next? Little eptithets in some language your aren't familiar
with?

Perhaps you would prefer that. But you won't get it from me, Len. You've
already started, though, with the name-calling and such.

For years I've referred to you as "Len", "Mr. Anderson", or sometimes just
"Anderson". Maybe a "Lennie" slipped in there 5-6 years ago, but not recently.
I've even asked what you prefer to be called here. I'm still waiting for a
clear answer.

[nursie has the lock on cute Yiddish pejoratives, doesn't
know squat about Yiddishers or Judaism]

How do you know that? Do you speak Yiddish? Are you Jewish?

Maybe something
choice in Italian? [you could use my neighbor, the Scicilian, in
that regard...:-) ]

I know a few good phrases in Italian. But I leave the ethnic/gender/religious
slur stuff to folks like you, Len.

btw, what is a "Scicilian" ?

I'll just reflect that the subject
made a LOT of money for Linda Hamilton's ex-husband

Now see - there you go off-topic.

You mean James Cameron? If so, why not just use his name?

Yeah - what's up with that?

You seem to have a serious problem calling people by their names.
Perhaps you don't have the guts to do it.

Have you ever noticed, Mike, that Len practically *never* addresses someone
who disagrees with him by the name they use on their posts? He almost
always has to make up an insulting nickname for them.

Beggin' yer highbrow pardon, m'lord hamme-on-wry.

Is that an apology, Len?

Why not just call people by their names?

Do you think your nicknames are funny? They're not. All they do is give some
people (not me) the idea that they can respond in kind.

and
employed many Mexican laborers on the set of "Titanic"...
many many years later with a little gilt statuette awarded for
Best Motion Picture to the producer-director. No crying great
tears on-stage on that Oscar Night.

More OT....

What possible significance does that have?

And is that on topic for rrap? ;^)

;-) ;-)

M'lord Hamme, what is the "significance" of discussing the Titanic
disaster at all in an amateur radio policy newsgroup?

It's more significant than discussing military teletype communications in Japan
in the 1950s. Or property values in a Southern California housing development
over a 42 year period.

Shouldn't you be taking that up before the House of Lords?

Sounds like you're telling me to shut up...

Linda is quite quirky in a cute sort of way... or is that quite cute in
a quirky sort of way?

Very attractive, really. Not at the Jan Smithers level, of course.

Tsk. Letting all your sexual fantasies hang out in public again?

You *do* want to be the moderator.

"quite cute in a quirky sort of way" is pretty tame stuff. Suitable for family
viewing, I'd say.

It was *you* who emailed a picture containing adult male nudity to me and some
others. Completely unsolicited and unwelcome.

Boeing doesn't test fly
new aircraft with commercial paying passengers.

OT?

Commercial air carriers don't concern themselves with amateur
radios...requiring ANY RF radiation source to be turned off when
in-flight.

Again, that and mention of Boeing Aircraft Company is NOT an
amateur radio policy subject.

So why did you bring it up?

Not many aircraft companies were busy working out Test
Proceedures for test-flying new aircraft in 1912... :-)

Very OT

So is claims that vacuum tube kluges you've "designed" in
the 1990s as "state of the art." :-)

"So is claims"?

Who claimed that anything radio-related that I have designed is "state of the
art"? Not me.

What's interesting is that we haven't yet seen *anything* radio-related you
have designed and built at home, Len.

Boeing innovated the pre-flight checklist around 1940 or
thereabouts after they lost a prototype Flying Fortress (and
their chief test pilot) on takeoff.

Yawningly OT

So is Rev. Jimmie's regular "subject" of the Titanic disaster in
here.

Then why do you comment on it?

Jimmie have fantasies of being a "hero" saving lives through
moursemanship in that disaster scenario?

"Moursemanship"?

Of course there was the PROFESSIONAL pilot who tried to roll a B-52 at
low altitude.

Did you see the case study of that one, Jim? Spooky! Too bad so many of
the folk flying with him knew they were probably going to die some day
with him at the yoke.

Did you see the film clip? It's on the 'net at a few sites. Not the best
quality, but scary enough.

Has Jimmie actually RIDDEN in a B-52?

No. Have you, Len?

What difference does it make to the discussion?

I've been inside a B-52, btw.

Who cares? Jimmie never served his country in a military capacity,

Never claimed to. You don't see me in military newsgroups, telling soldiers how
to run the armed services.

wouldn't have any need to ride a B-52 for any reason.

I think it would be fun.

Not to worry. U.S. amateur radio regulations are Up To Date.

Yes, they are.

Seems like it to me!

"Yawningly OT." Hi hi. :-)

The morsemanship test REMAINS and that suits Mr. "I serve my
country in OTHER ways" Miccolis, the artist of the state, just
dandy.

Where did I ever write "I serve my country in OTHER ways", Len?

They still require all amateurs to test for beloved morse code
cognition capability in order to have priveleges of operating
below 30 MHz...in the ham bands.

Why does that bother you so much?

Notice how Len avoids the relevant questions...

What is the "relevant question?" :-)

Why the morse code test bothers you so much.

Oh, I see. You be da Lord Hamme-on-wry, de Lawgiver of what
be relevant for all to follow! Beggin' me humble pardon, m'lord.

Just answer the question, please, Len.

It seems that some amateurs
bent on constantly re-living the past (in almost anything) think
that morse code skill is still the epitome of "radio operation" in
the year 2004.

Perhaps some do.

Many more think that a simple test of Morse code skill at a very basic
level is a worthwhile requirement for an amateur license.

Why does that bother you so much, Len?

Hmmm?

Very "progressive." State of the Art.

Len, do you live in a "State Of The Art" house? Drive a "State Of The
Art" car? Wear "State Of The Art" clothes?

Is your computer "State Of The Art", complete with broadband connection?

If we owns PC's, we isn't state of the art.

Roger that!

Who had a "personal computer" in 1912? :-)

"You can not answer a question with another question"

Heck, the only HF radio equipment you've admitted to owning is over 20
years old. Definitely not "State Of The Art", yet you lecture others about
it.

"Lecture?" :-)

Yes!

Tsk, tsk, TSK! I have an R-70. Leo has an R-70. Both still work to
specifications (which are quite good).

How do you know they still work to specifications? Have you run a full lab test
on them? Put them in the environmental chamber and all the rest?

Or are you just guessing?

Oh, yes, a couple of NCTAs mentioned it, so, according to m'lord hamme
(on rye?) they are just snit. :-)

The only snit I see is from you, Len.

Random though mode on:

I have a 1987 Transciever. IC-745. Suits me just fine. All digital
(excluding the necessary analog bits)

Mostly analog, really!

Wow, even digital radios are getting old hat.

Yep.

How so? Can't get any digital parts to "recycle?" :-)

Is recycling a bad thing, Len?

I like the old Yankee saying:

"Use it up
Wear it out
Make it do
Or do without"

Is that bad? Perhaps you subscribe to Our Ford's mantra "Ending is better than
mending".

"Why", the Grinch said as a smile lit his face, "Maybe for everything,
everymode all has it's place."

Indeed.

Children's story characters? More fantasy portrayed as "fact?"

A fable with a relevant moral. Didja know "Dr. Seuss" drew political cartoons
before, during and after WW2?

I have a chunk of galena setting on the shelf in front of me - maybe
I'll make a cat's whisker detector and radio from it

Oatmeal boxes made of cardboard are still used. They have a plastic rim at
the top but they still make good coil forms

Go for it, Mr. State of the Art! :-)

Who would that be, Len?

Is it OK to call you Len? If you want to be called something other than Len,
say so in clear direct language, please.