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October 29th 04, 02:07 AM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
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PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article , Mike Coslo
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(Len Over 21) writes:

In article , Robert Casey
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One could sumise that if all the other ships in the area were
taking it slow, Titanic should have taken heed and go slow
as well. One doesn't have to have knowledge of a field to
realize that. I'm sure that the ship's owners would have preferred
and understood a late but intact Titanic at the destination.
Maybe the ship was "unsinkable" but I wouldn't want to test
that with paying passangers aboard.

Robert, I will agree with you, but what happened to the Titanic
NINETY-TWO YEARS AGO isn't really a subject of this
newsgroup and doesn't come close (maybe a couple of light-
years) to amateur radio policy. :-)

So what, Len? Much of what you talk about doesn't come close to amateur
radio policy either.

That anyone should chide another on OT posting here in rrap is mildly
amusing.

Agreed! Len does more OT posting than anybody, yet complains the loudest
when
others do it. Just another example of his double standard, do as Len says
not
as Len does mentality.

Tsk.

I say enjoy the hobby. I say don't try to force archaic, imaginary
needs in testing for an amateur radio license just because some
olde-tymers had to do it. I say enjoy freedom. I say try to keep
up with the technology. I say the technology isn't restricted solely
to what the ARRL publishes.

Ca-a-arefu1!

I like to live dangerously! :-)

You are. What with the nut loose in here. ;^)

Is that "bad mentality?" Or would you rather everyone be subject
to rule by the raddio kopps carrying dazzling bright kopp badges?
[that way you could get to push around others who don't agree
with you and your opinions - which you call "facts"]

Steve's opinions are facts. Others opinions are lies.

Standing Orders of the Day posted behind glass at the recon
company Hq., personally signed by Genl. Chesty Puller hisself.

I think the only thing Steve learned in the service was how to bandy
about like a little rooster.

Steveism:

There are three kinds of lies. Lies, Damned Lies, and NCTA Opinions.

That's what gets written in here... :-)

And then some.

Do I do "OT posting more than anybody?" No.

If I DO talk about old time (OT) subjects it is for a reason of
explanation since I've DONE those things and have first-hand
experience. I don't need "confirmation" from any "league"
organization to "document" it. :-)

Ah oh! Mistake #1. Can't say nuttin bad about the league.

I know, I know...we can't call it what it is...we MUST enoble it
to sainthood and worship at the Church of St. Hiram.

Too much Holy water under the bridge.

When that someone is part of the Lennie/Steve/Brian-William
troika in *their* ongoing whizzing contest is much more amusing.

Agreed!

The denials are almost funny.

No. Tragic. The damp hankie slap on nursie's wrist isn't very
good therapy, "doctor" Jimmie.

DJ (Doc Jimmie) run Yell DMC health records. Clean Bill.

Is Jimmie Who a "qualified health professional?" :-)

Being a "qualified health professional" is an absolute MUST in
here when anyone mentions the CAPman.

Strange, hams talk weather all day (and all night) long but none of
them are required to be weathermen. After the weather, they start
talking about their gall bladders, but I doubt they are medical
professionals.

Pair of Docs.

Well, except to some who wish to turn this newsgroup into
a quasi-private Chat Room involving their own desires and
preferences..and to have them damn all others for not thinking
and feeling as they do. [yourself excluded]

That's a pretty good summation of what *you* want from this newsgroup,
Len.
After all, you're the one telling other people to "shut the hell up"..

I've thought that Lenover21 wanted to be the moderator in here. He
claims otherwise.

It's how he acts that makes the claims ring hollow. Perhaps it's time to
repost the "feldwebel" classic...

Poor baby. Losing your "group leader" self-imposed title?

Awwww.

Not: MARS is like Amateur Radio.

Not: MARS has lots of Amateur Radio Volunteers.

But: "MARS IS Amateur Radio!"

Hi hi!

False religion. "True lies." :-)

The connection to the UNIFORMED military is obvious to me and
you but others don't quite see it.

Steve was in the UNINFORMED service. That's why he got it wrong.

He lies about knowing something about MARS.

For the bleeding-heart imaginary sailors aboard, I won't cry
great crocodile tears of a thousand-plus humans who perished
on the Titanic in 1912. Nope.

"Bleeding-heart imaginary sailors"? Who would that be?

Yeah, what's with that?

Len's trying to cover up his gaffe of laughing at them.

Tsk, tsk. I don't, have never "laughed" at innocent victims of
anything.

What you've just said above is a damned LIE, sweetums.

Not unexpected from the Wrong Reverend Jimmie Who. It was
bound to happen that - as "led" by that other shining example of
modern U.S. hamdom, the gunnery nurse.

What next? Little eptithets in some language your aren't familiar
with? [nursie has the lock on cute Yiddish pejoratives, doesn't
know squat about Yiddishers or Judaism] Maybe something
choice in Italian? [you could use my neighbor, the Scicilian, in
that regard...:-) ]

I think the next runaway insult language will be Palistinian.

Who knows? I'm not into any form of Arabic although my former
opthalmologist taught me a couple of Farsi words (he was born
in Persia...what is now Iran).

As long as a nastyword isn't in a native language, some yo-yo
in here will use it as a euphemism.

Bozo.

I'll just reflect that the subject
made a LOT of money for Linda Hamilton's ex-husband

You mean James Cameron? If so, why not just use his name?

You seem to have a serious problem calling people by their names.
Perhaps
you don't have the guts to do it.

Have you ever noticed, Mike, that Len practically *never* addresses
someone
who
disagrees with him by the name they use on their posts? He almost always
has
to
make up an insulting nickname for them.

Beggin' yer highbrow pardon, m'lord hamme-on-wry.

Who is K4CAP? Isn't that a defunct callsign?

Totally DEFUNCT.

So he lies when he puts slash/K4CAP behind his name.

and
employed many Mexican laborers on the set of "Titanic"...
many many years later with a little gilt statuette awarded for
Best Motion Picture to the producer-director. No crying great
tears on-stage on that Oscar Night.

What possible significance does that have?

And is that on topic for rrap? ;^)

;-) ;-)

M'lord Hamme, what is the "significance" of discussing the Titanic
disaster
at all in an amateur radio policy newsgroup?

Shouldn't you be taking that up before the House of Lords?

Put a Trace on that Lords.

I'll call "Mr. Trace, keener than most persons" if someone in here
remembers Bob and Ray... :-)

"Olde Tyme Radio?"

Linda is quite quirky in a cute sort of way... or is that quite cute in
a quirky sort of way?

Very attractive, really. Not at the Jan Smithers level, of course.

Tsk. Letting all your sexual fantasies hang out in public again?

What possible significance has YOUR sexual fantasies to do with
amateur radio policy matters?

Oh, yes, you like to present them to show your "manliness?"

Weird.

It's all merely a frustration with "thier" station in life.

Passing that 20 WPM morse code test was VERY meaningful to
them...gave them something to brag about, to feel oh, so superior
to other amateur radio hobbyists.

I wonder if those girls on Petticoat Junction would be impressed with
their Morse Prowess?

Boeing doesn't test fly
new aircraft with commercial paying passengers.

OT?

Commercial air carriers don't concern themselves with amateur
radios...requiring ANY RF radiation source to be turned off when
in-flight.

Again, that and mention of Boeing Aircraft Company is NOT an
amateur radio policy subject.

Mebbe we should check with the CAPman on that. He's practically a
Boeing insider when he jumps into that jumpsuit.

Don't forget that he is "Pilot in Command" when he do dat!

He can probably marry, divorce, and condemn people when he's the
Captain of his Air Ship. Or is that Major?

Got the silver wings with little laurel wreath around the star above
the center shield! Maybe he had it gold plated to match USN
wings? USAF wings are physically larger than USN wings. :-)

No doubt he's struttin' around about that. I used to get a kick out
of the CAP guys. They got to eat in the chow hall once a month like
real military. The Banty Roosters would loosly gather their gaggle of
follows and sort of march them out in the parking lot. Hi!

Not many aircraft companies were busy working out Test
Proceedures for test-flying new aircraft in 1912... :-)

Very OT

So is claims that vacuum tube kluges you've "designed" in
the 1990s as "state of the art." :-)

But, but, but, it is immune to BPL...

Absolutely! Immune to RFI, EMI, and EMP effects, too, I'll bet.
Immune to everything except negative criticism (however slight).
:-)

Boeing innovated the pre-flight checklist around 1940 or
thereabouts after they lost a prototype Flying Fortress (and
their chief test pilot) on takeoff.

Yawningly OT

So is Rev. Jimmie's regular "subject" of the Titanic disaster in
here.

Jimmie have fantasies of being a "hero" saving lives through
moursemanship in that disaster scenario?

And here I thought that SAC invented the checklist. Thank goodness I
read RRAP.

SAC no doubt improved on the checklist...but Boeing made so many
of the SAC aircraft that there must have been some transfer of
methods and procedures. :-)

Nephew-in-law works for Boeing in the production complex near
Marysville, WA. But, I was somewhat familiar with Boeing aircraft
long before the family got extended.

Stop-loss?

Of course there was the PROFESSIONAL pilot who tried to roll a B-52 at
low
altitude.

Did you see the case study of that one, Jim? Spooky! Too bad so many of
the folk flying with him knew they were probably going to die some day
with him at the yoke.

Did you see the film clip? It's on the 'net at a few sites. Not the best
quality, but scary enough.

Has Jimmie actually RIDDEN in a B-52?

Saw him in a movie. Sittin atop an A-Bomb. Oooop! He jarred it
loose.

"Dr. Strangelove." :-)

Yeah, like a (mximum) 200 pound male can "jar loose" 4000
pounds of bomb (approximate weight of a special weapons of the
time) from its shackles designed to take many g of force. :-)

Tsk. These guys go to the movies and think that all the FICTION
they see is the TRVTH and nothing but... :-)

The mosquito squadron. Wrapped a bomb in rubber and with a low
altitude approach bounced it right into a bunker. Movies are great
stuff. I don't base my life around movies though.

Who cares? Jimmie never served his country in a military capacity,
wouldn't have any need to ride a B-52 for any reason.

But he likes to write about it.

Sure does...and really, really bristles with antagonism on the slightest
negative comment on what he say...

B-52s are older than Jimmie...he MUST love them for that reason.

Is this the part where he is called a non-participant? A mere
spectator?

Or was that Kelly?

Both. :-) Except Kellie DID have dinner with the Captain! :-)

Maybe Steve will wear his CAPman suit to Dayton and we can sit at his
table.

Jimmie has some fundamental seamanship flaws. It's easy to
drive (excuse me, sail) a Sabot directly into an iceberg to "save
the passengers (at most two)." Brian Kelly knows better than
that so I give him credit for some common sense, sailor-wise.

Wonder if the titanic came up at the Captain's table?

Not to worry. U.S. amateur radio regulations are Up To Date.

Yes, they are.

Seems like it to me!

"Yawningly OT." Hi hi. :-)

Hardly.

For THEM it is "up to date." They ARE amateur radio!

The Elite of the Elite. An Army of One. All that they can be.

If, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio," is true, then Steve
must struggle with ham radio as much as he does MARS. Hi!

The morsemanship test REMAINS and that suits Mr. "I serve my
country in OTHER ways" Miccolis, the artist of the state, just
dandy. That will secure U.S. amateur radio for morse-tested hams
and assure Jimmie someone to play with...

Gotta protect the laurels that ye rest upon.

They need whoopee cusions...

And baby wipes.

They still require all amateurs to test for beloved morse code
cognition capability in order to have priveleges of operating
below 30 MHz...in the ham bands.

Why does that bother you so much?

Notice how Len avoids the relevant questions...

What is the "relevant question?" :-)

Oh, I see. You be da Lord Hamme-on-wry, de Lawgiver of what
be relevant for all to follow! Beggin' me humble pardon, m'lord.

The relevant question is "Steel chassis or Aluminum chassis?"

"Greenlee punch or Nibbler?"

Such relevant questions.

Actually, it would be. Jimmie say he build with "recycled parts"
and his "rig" didn't cost him more than $100.

Now anyone considering any sort of metal work for radios had
better have $ome money since an average aluminum chassis
from Bud Industries, LMB-Heeger, or Hammond Manufacturing
(good folks in Canada) is going to cost about $30...and that isn't
including a bottom cover plate. Metal cabinets are Out Of Sight.
Check any catalog, paper or on-line, Allied, Newark, DigiKey,
Mouser, even Ocean State Electronics.

Some alloys of aluminum are sort of malleable. 2024 is somewhat
that way but don't bend it too much. 6061 is NOT. One can't take
a chunk of ordinary aluminum and hammer it flat to fill in the holes
(using "recycled" i.e., previously-used), then bend/brake it back to
some new shape. That means BUYING chassis somewhere...or
snaffling ("swipe") them. At early 1990 prices, that average
chassis alluded to before would cost about $25. So, for six chassis
in the photograph that would be a total of about $150.

The excuse to be given will be that he "bought it at a flea market"
or some hamvention for "a very low price." :-)

Whatever the story is, it will have the usual embellishments, the
brags of greatness, the usual suspects. :-)

Maybe an estate sale? Should be getting more and more common all of
the time.

It seems that some amateurs
bent on constantly re-living the past (in almost anything) think
that morse code skill is still the epitome of "radio operation" in
the year 2004.

Perhaps some do.

Many more think that a simple test of Morse code skill at a very basic
level is a worthwhile requirement for an amateur license.

Why does that bother you so much, Len?

Very "progressive." State of the Art.

Len, do you live in a "State Of The Art" house? Drive a "State Of The
Art"
car? Wear "State Of The Art" clothes?

Is your computer "State Of The Art", complete with broadband
connection?

If we owns PC's, we isn't state of the art.

Roger that!

Who had a "personal computer" in 1912? :-)

It's an egnima. Ooops! Prolly later.

Heck, the only HF radio equipment you've admitted to owning is over 20
years
old. Definitely not "State Of The Art", yet you lecture others about
it.

"Lecture?" :-)

Tsk, tsk, TSK! I have an R-70. Leo has an R-70. Both still work to
specifications (which are quite good).

Oh, yes, a couple of NCTAs mentioned it, so, according to m'lord hamme
(on rye?) they are just snit. :-)

I've got a ratshack dx150. Wanna trade? Hi, hi!

I'll trade you my old RS "Color Computer" for it... :-)

My first computer. A COCO II with a whopping 16k ram. I swapped out
the chips, cut a trace and added a jumper: 64K whoohoo!

I had the first floppy drive around, too. Couldn't stand the tape
recorder.

Random though mode on:

I have a 1987 Transciever. IC-745. Suits me just fine. All digital
(excluding the necessary analog bits)

Mostly analog, really!

Wow, even digital radios are getting old hat.

Yep.

How so? Can't get any digital parts to "recycle?" :-)

Wow! An IC-745. Time to swap out the lithium battery.

Or have some of the folks in here take their lithium regularly...

Maybe there's enough lithium remaining in the batteries. I say
recycle!

"Why", the Grinch said as a smile lit his face, "Maybe for everything,
everymode all has it's place."

Indeed.

Children's story characters? More fantasy portrayed as "fact?"

"...every Mode has it's place." Time to tune up the arc-welder and
draw a bead and a dit. Hi, hi!

Do a long seam for a spark transmitter "key down" equivalent?

The Petersen Auto Museum on Wilshire Boulevard in Los Angeles
had a display of all the Grinchville vehicles used in the movie.
Cute. Fiberglass bodies all, some "recycled" auto parts in the
chassis. Made by movie industry PROFESSIONALS! :-)

I have a chunk of galena setting on the shelf in front of me - maybe
I'll make a cat's whisker detector and radio from it

Oatmeal boxes made of cardboard are still used. They have a plastic rim at
the
top but they still make good coil forms

Go for it, Mr. State of the Art! :-)

I prefer the "Hogan's Heroes" teapot radio.

heh heh heh Another PROP...but not about aviation...

Quaker Oats still does some packaging in round (thin) cardboard
cartons. In the 1920s that would have been a very low-cost "coil
form" for the 195-meter wavelength hammes of olde.

Speaking of coil forms, I need to replace the coil on my hygain 18vs.
I want to use plastic water pipe or conduit, but I recall reading that
some of that stuff is somewhat conductive. Have you heard anything
about that?

Reinvent the 1920s and claim your fame as the "innovator!"

Good grief.

Next thing you know, Rev. Jimmie will tout "Ralph 124C41+" as
"mainstream
science fiction!" :-)

bwahahahahahah

Whatever he tout's is da troof!

Hugo Gernsback (of the publication fame) wrote "Ralph 124C41+"
way way back. TERRIBLE writing. Fiction wasn't his thing and
one can suspect he became a publisher to control the editors who
wouldn't buy copy from him as an author. :-)

I read it in one sitting in 1953. Small thin book. Dreck. It is so
"camp" that the Science Fiction Writers of America wanted to
name the annual SF writing award trophy as the "Hugo." :-)

Gernsback could have become a "leader" in ham radio way back
in the early 1920s. He had branched out too far into other radio,
trying to be a visionary. Gernsback Publications was much much
larger than what the league could get together.

All of the mistakes of history. What if we never got that second
front in WWII?