Len Over 21 wrote:
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(N2EY) writes:
In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:
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(Brian Kelly) writes:
(Len Over 21) wrote in message
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The parks argument is a good one. The spectum is a natural resource like
the forest and the shoreline, and like those it shouldn't be for
business
use only.
Thank you for saying that, Alun. Sincere thanks.
About six years ago (or so) in here I tried to point out that there is
a
good analogue between the hobby of amateur radio and the national
park service. The U.S. Park Service has a million acres (give or
take)
which is reserved for ALL the citizenry to enjoy for their recreation.
You did?
Google up the post for us, please, Len. Your experience in computer-modem
communications should make that an easy task for you.
Old-maid Jim is still into Googling bullemia syndrome, still trying to
argue old, old postings all over again. And again. And again. :-)
It is "bulimia", Len. Master the word and make it your own. :-)
I'd say Jim has done a fair job of it. You've been caught with your
pants down, old boy.
Spare me . . . more snake oil . . one more of your bogus "claims to
fame" eh Sweetums?
Tsk. I don't "claim any fame" to that analogue.
Then why did you mention it, Len?
Tsk. All WRONG again, Jimmie? :-)
Kellie brought up "claim to fame." I just repudiated it.
....but not successfully.
All you want to do is re-argue the PAST. :-)
And all you want to do is tap dance out of this mess of your own
creation.
:-)
Face the music (even if you are deaf), amateur radio is basically
a HOBBY. There should be absolutely nothing wrong with that
concept.
What's "wrong" is when someone denies that there are any "nonhobby" aspects to
amateur radio. Such as emergency and public service communications, education,
advancing the state of the art, etc.
Of course...like "advancing the state of the art" in home building
all-tube rigs in the 1990s. :-)
You can't admit that a number of hams are involved in the public service
aspects of amateur radio?
There is a lot of wrong with the political statements saying it is a
"vital need to the nation" such as for "emergency comms" as if
the time was prior to WW2 when two-way radios were scarce.
Who says amateur radio is a "vital need to the nation", Len?
ARRL. :-)
You seem to think that amateur radio plays no role in emergency or public
service communications, based simply on your experience watching TV after one
California earthquake. That's simply too limited a view.
Three earthquakes, not just one. :-)
But it is a matter of public record that radio amateurs participated.
Names and calls have been published. How do you account for that?
Tsk. I was out there, not just "watching TV." Didn't see any "ham
emergency" crews at the disaster centers. Maybe they were all
home using CW on their rigs? [ "CW gets through when nothing else
will...even without electrical power!" ]
To make this clear for us, you were actually at the involved disaster
centers, Len? All of 'em? So you know for a fact that no radio
amateurs were involved in these earthquakes?
For example, when the space shuttle burned up on reentry, there were groups of
volunteers out looking for debris that survived the disaster. Some groups had
communications provided by amateur radio, others depended on cell phones.
Riiiiight, Jimmie...ONLY hams were any aid, right? Nobody else could
do the job? :-)
You didn't really address what was stated, did you?
The Press has been negligent again, reporting false news...they should
have listened to the ARRL (who knows the "real" truth as opposed to
"wrong" truths spoken by the government, NASA, etc.).
I've seen no government nor NASA reports stating, "No radio amateurs
were involved". If you've seen such a statement, kindly provide
references so that the rest of us may be educated.
The post-operation consensus was that cell phones were not well suited for
that
type of operation, and that amateur radio played a key role in the groups that
had hams providing the communications. That's all documented by people who
were there.
Nooooo...that's all documented by the ARRL. :-)
Were those hams participating in a HOBBY when they volunteered?
They were being good citizens. All those hams got their licenses so they
could later Hunt for Space Shuttle Debris?
There are plenty of good citizens. Not all of them are equipped to to
what radio amateurs did in this case. Why the dodge?
Pretending that amateur radio is "vital" is a lot of POLITICAL
bull**** and you know it.
What does it take for something to be "vital", Len?
Constant reading and listening to the ARRL. :-)
Whatsa matter? You couldn't think of an answer?
Perhaps you are angry that W3RV pointed out your mistake. You should thank him
for the new information. Don't you like new information?
Kellie no got "new" information. :-)
Kellie wanna practice mental bullemia and barf up old postings.
Len, one time is a mistake. The word is "bulimia".
W3RV pointed out that the concept is much older than six years. Now you're
trying to weasel out because you've lost that point. Doesn't work.
"Weasel out?!?" :-)
Yeah, weasel out.
Tsk. You morsemen weren't able to successfully argue your cases
for anything in the past...now you disguise your later comments on
old things as some kind of "truth" of "new things?"
Keep tap dancing, Len.
That's NOT "weaseling out." That's just plain nuts, morseman.
You just can't bring yourself to admit that the idea belonged to
another, can you?
Don't fib Sweetums, you know I'm out here doing my homework.
I could care less, "Sweetums."
Then why are you arguing, Len? Just say you were wrong and move on. Thank
W3RV for the correction and live in the present.
I could care less, "Jim" (or would you rather be called "Jim?")
:-)
The volume of your material in an attempted defense of the indefensible,
says otherwise. You care.
Whoever originated it, the park analogy has some merit. It also has a bunch of
problems.
A long time ago, Teddy Roosevelt thought so...but managed to get the
National Park Service going... :-)
You mean it wasn't your idea?
What's wrong with promoting amateur radio *now* as a combination of *all* its
contributions - recreation, public service, technical innovation, education,
emergency communications, and more?
Tsk. More wrong "wrongness!" :-)
I've never said what you've claimed about "promotion." But, you've gotten
so
thick about hollering "wrong" all the time, I don't suppose you can stop.
The ARRL propaganda is - consistently - the SAME. It also seems to be
ineffective OUTSIDE of amateur radio. ARRL is constantly doing SELF-
PROMOTION and the government can see that as easily as anyone not in
amateur radio. ARRL has apparently begun to Believe itself in all that
propaganda and self-glorification.
ARRL just hasn't gotten into mainstream media with any of that noble and
glorious "technical innovation, education, emergency communications," let
alone the "recreation" part. The "public service" part is notably lacking,
everywhere but at the ARRL and its output.
That's quite a rant, Leonard. There's a running QST item most months
which is called "Media Hits". What kind of items do you think it
highlights?
Dave K8MN