Len Over 21 wrote:

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Len Over 21 wrote:

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(N2EY) writes:

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(Len Over 21) writes:

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(Brian Kelly) writes:

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The parks argument is a good one. The spectum is a natural resource
like

the forest and the shoreline, and like those it shouldn't be for
business
use only.

Thank you for saying that, Alun. Sincere thanks.

About six years ago (or so) in here I tried to point out that there
is
a
good analogue between the hobby of amateur radio and the national
park service. The U.S. Park Service has a million acres (give or
take)
which is reserved for ALL the citizenry to enjoy for their
recreation.

You did?

Google up the post for us, please, Len. Your experience in computer-modem
communications should make that an easy task for you.

Old-maid Jim is still into Googling bullemia syndrome, still trying to
argue old, old postings all over again. And again. And again. :-)

It is "bulimia", Len. Master the word and make it your own. :-)

And all you want to do is tap dance out of this mess of your own
creation.

While I can still manage a time-step or two, this isn't a stage
and you are not the audience...but you are rather the usher
self-important and with a small flashlight, the one who keeps
getting gum on his shoe soles.

Actually, in the theater which is life, this is a stage and everyone who
reads one of your posts is an audience. Sometimes the audience
applaudes.
Sometimes it throws tomatoes. Your latest attempts at claiming the idea
of another as your own leave you covered in tomato sauce.

You can't admit that a number of hams are involved in the public service
aspects of amateur radio?

NOT near enough to qualify for the self-glorifying political definitions
in Part 97...and certainly not from the implied greatness and nobility
written up by the league.

Piffle! Any implied greatness and nobility comes from your "little man"
inferiority complex. Part 97 says what it says. Feel free to take that
issue directly to the FCC. I'm sure they'll accept your input, even if
they don't act on it. The fact is, you just don't know much about it,
do you?

Three earthquakes, not just one. :-)

But it is a matter of public record that radio amateurs participated.
Names and calls have been published. How do you account for that?

ARRL does the "publishing." Mass media it is NOT.

I didn't write anything about the League being mass media, though by
definition, QST fits the definition. It is read by a couple of hundred
thousand people. There are city newspapers with a smaller circulation.

There are articles in newspapers and magazines about the public service
aspect of amateur radio. We have two local stations in this area. One
or both generally have a feature story at least once yearly in their
newscasts about radio amateurs in Field Day or radio amateurs in flood
work or radio amateurs assisting in a search for a missing person.

Wire services have "published" all that? I think NOT. Broadcast
TV news "published" all that? I think NOT.

You might think, but you don't know.

Being "published" in the weekly Podunk Hollow 6-pager might
satisfy legal necessities of "publishing" but the citizenry still
doesn't know about amateur radio in detail.

So having something published in a smaller newspaper doesn't meet your
personal definition. Boy, life's tough, isn't it?

Tsk. I was out there, not just "watching TV." Didn't see any "ham
emergency" crews at the disaster centers. Maybe they were all
home using CW on their rigs? [ "CW gets through when nothing else
will...even without electrical power!" ]

To make this clear for us, you were actually at the involved disaster
centers, Len? All of 'em? So you know for a fact that no radio
amateurs were involved in these earthquakes?

I've been to more of them than you. :-)

That wasn't the question. :-)

Do I know "for a fact" there were no amateurs involved? No, because
I don't read QST to find out.

I accept your "no" but not for the reason stated.

I was THERE. Nobody wearing a ham
HT on their belt, nobody with a little callsign pin on, no mobiles
parked.

You were WHERE?

Just the regular emergency workers plus the FEMA fly-away
terminal showing TV with notes posted from anxious relatives.

....as far as you knew.

I've seen no government nor NASA reports stating, "No radio amateurs
were involved".

I've seen no government nor NASA reports stating, "Radio amateurs
were involved." If you've seen such a statement, provide the source
so that Newington can be better educated.

Why, I believe I'll do that, Leonard. Meanwhile you can brush up on
events by looking at the stories at the following urls:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3077583/

http://www.issfanclub.com/modules.ph...rticle&sid=446

http://people.smu.edu/arc/shuttle.html

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...003/0001886975

http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/...eon062603.html

http://www.prnewswire.com/gh/cnoc/comp/683158.html

http://www.w4zt.com/paulharvey.html

http://seti.sentry.net/archive/publi.../Feb/0017.html

http://strand.sfasu.edu/shuttle/spshuttlenews.htm

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/0...prj.colu.wrap/


There are plenty of good citizens. Not all of them are equipped to to
what radio amateurs did in this case. Why the dodge?

"Dodge?" No Dodge, dude. Wife and I drive our Chevrolet.

"dodge".

Gosh, "Dave," I've seen no government nor NASA reports that
ONLY hams are "good citizens" or that they were "the only ones
equipped (with ham radio) to do the shuttle debris searching!

Gee-willikers, Len, I wrote nothing about hams being the ONLY good
citizens. I can say with a degree of confidence that hams were the only
ones equipped (with ham radio).

Was that in some sensitive (secret) government report that ONLY
ex-State people were cleared to read?

Was what?

Pretending that amateur radio is "vital" is a lot of POLITICAL
bull**** and you know it.

What does it take for something to be "vital", Len?

Constant reading and listening to the ARRL. :-)

Whatsa matter? You couldn't think of an answer?

That WAS the ANSWER, "Dave."

Can't be, Len. You don't read QST or listen to the ARRL.

The league is constantly self-
glorifying itself and always depicts amateur radio as a vital necessity,
etc., etc., etc.

Massive sour grapes on your part. Live with it.

Kellie wanna practice mental bullemia and barf up old postings.

Len, one time is a mistake. The word is "bulimia".

"Dave," your word is BULL.

I don't have a word. The word you misspelled quite a number of times is
"bulimia".


That's NOT "weaseling out." That's just plain nuts, morseman.

You just can't bring yourself to admit that the idea belonged to
another, can you?

I have plenty of analogues and admire those who are original, such
as the comparison of the park system to setting aside spectrum
for hobbyist activities.

Yes, you admired the individual with the original idea so much that you
decided to claim it as your own.

YOU continually overlook the subject (the analogue) in a poor
effort to attempt humiliation and defamation of a single poster as
"your argument." That is faulty...but you seem to think you have
NO faults.

It is really difficult to stay on the subject, regardless of what it
might be, for your fairly frequent errors and the inevitable newsgroup
drift.

The volume of your material in an attempted defense of the indefensible,
says otherwise. You care.

Tsk. I can't possibly "care."

Yes, you care that you've been discovered claiming credit for taking the
ideas of another and claiming them for your own.

You said (repeatedly) I am "not involved."

I've said all along that you aren't involved in amateur radio. You're
certainly involved in a falsehood though.

That's quite a rant, Leonard. There's a running QST item most months
which is called "Media Hits". What kind of items do you think it
highlights?

Some squib in the Podunk Valley Hollow weekly 6-pager?
A Mike Douglas TV show item? :-)

Mike Douglas? Gee, you know as much about television as you do of Paul
Newman movies. :-)

Sorry, but the ARRL has been ineffective on getting mass media
exposure to amateur radio for years...a whole half-century worth.
The best it can hope for in "media hits" is to have CQ quote from
the league website on something. All that stays INSIDE the ham
media, doesn't venture OUTSIDE to where the politicians and the
rest of the citizenry see news and events.

Check out the urls I posted above. It looks like another case of Len
Anderson not knowing what he's talking about.

Some hams, like yourself, want to stay insular to keep your
brainwashing clean and intact with old ideas. That way you can
freely fantasize on how "vital, unique, and resourceful" you all
are (along with pipe dreams of heroism, saving the day, etc.) in
some weird rationalization of "justifying" your hobby. You DO do
that and get very angry when you don't get high-fives for your
fantasyworld accomplishments.

What in the world are you going on about?

Your worry, not mine. "I'm not
involved." :-)

Whaddya know! You got something right. :-)

Dave K8MN