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November 21st 04, 06:01 PM

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

What courses, exactly James, did you have in your freshman year in
E-school which taught/preached how to do a "rigorous analysis of all
facets of the problem at hand . . . a list of problems impeding the
design goal is developed, and solutions are proposed for each until
all have been . . " and come out of it with working pile of
hardware?

Ya missed the point.

Unless you can cite your soup-to-nuts "engineered" pile of freshman
hardware I didn't miss the point.

Boilerplate verbiage like:

"In engineering, this requires a rigorous analysis of all facets of the problem
at hand - a list of problems impeding the design goal is developed, and
solutions are proposed for each until all have been satisfactorily resolved"

is the ES 101 stuff. Actually doing it is very different. For example - just
what *are* all the facets of a given problem?.

I have no idea what "ES 101" is or was.

. . . as if . . maybe two-three years outta E-school you were allowed
to take a poke at an assignment like that.

More like a year.

Sometimes right out of the chute, sometimes never and perhaps with a
glaring exception or two never in a freshman year out in commercial
reality.

. . Because that's what we get paid to do. Perhaps wrongly, more
likely not, we don't have a helluva lotta time for approaching
projects like ballooning to 100,000 feet with science fair project
mentalities. Interpret as you will.

The trick is that the volunteer folks don't have the paycheck incentive. Just
the reverse - such a project costs them money! So the motivation has to be
elsewhere.

You're taking it off onto a couple irrelevent tangents. The topic is
how various folk who come from different educational, training and
employment backgrounds approach the technical aspects of pulling off
non-commercial stunts like sending homebrewed electronics packages to
100,000 feet with a balloon. Seasoned technical types degreed and
otherwise learn out in the college of hard knocks how to plan and
execute projects in highly systematic manners because when money is
involved the project better be pulled off properly or yer outta work.
That's the incentive. Beyond that we is what we is and we don't change
our stripes when we get involved in the planning of off-hours
volunteer efforts or our hobbies. Wherein come the clashes with the
non-technical types we get involved with on joint efforts. Pick any
mid-to-large scale Field Day planning session around here for a
perfect example.

My main job in this whole project has been to SELL people on the
concept of something that is not particularly new, but has been made
more interesting by a fusion of Ham radio, GPS, Packet radio, and
Schools, or perhaps more accurately, youth in general.

I **TODJA** to stick to being the cheerleader and delegate the tech
stuff to the technoids dammit but NO, you got all ****y huffy about it
instead!

****y huffy is par for the course here, isn't it?

.. . . yeah . . . which of course is the whole bottom bottom line . .

sigh

Leo is VE, a VE6 if I'm not mistaken.

How does anyone know for sure? He's been anonymous since day one here.

He let his cat out of the bag at some point in past but it got past
you. He's a VE but I had him in the wrong province.

Not that there's anyhting wrong with that!

He could just as easily be another of Len's online personalities.

No way, changing writing styles like changing fingerprints, can't be
done. Leo absolutely is not Sweetums. Or vice versa.

73 de Jim, N2EY

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