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November 23rd 04, 04:26 PM

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
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(Brian Kelly) writes:

is the ES 101 stuff. Actually doing it is very different. For example -
just what *are* all the facets of a given problem?.

I have no idea what "ES 101" is or was.

One of those intro engineering courses. Lays out basic concepts and methods.

DIT didn't bless us with any of those. I guess we were expected to
pick it up on the fly during our industry periods. Which would be
typical. Like one of their standing policies; "Topics in the syllabus
not covered in class or by the homework will be covered in the final."

Seasoned technical types degreed and
otherwise learn out in the college of hard knocks how to plan and
execute projects in highly systematic manners because when money is
involved the project better be pulled off properly or yer outta work.

Which is not the same factor here.

In business if ya signed the contract to deliver X on date Y, you better do it
or bad things will happen. In this balloon thing, a delay of weeks or months is
no big deal if the result is success rather than failure.

I meant from the standpoint of organizing a project. Being nit-picky
about it "delivery dates" can matter in some hobby projects like when
one is faced with finishing up the job jar to get set for a specific
contest. I agree, in most cases nothing bad comes of slipped dates in
non-commercial efforts like it does out in the commercial world.

That's the incentive. Beyond that we is what we is and we don't
change
our stripes when we get involved in the planning of off-hours
volunteer efforts or our hobbies.

Maybe *you* don't.

Not when it comes to identifying and organizing the sequence of
project milestones, laying out a budget, identifying the unknowns to
the extent possible and listing the assets required and such I don't.
It all goes down on paper or in an MS Project file from square one
just like I do on the job. Which is the way I'd run Mike's balloon
project. And which I sense is not the way Mike is approaching it.

Wherein come the clashes with the
non-technical types we get involved with on joint efforts. Pick any
mid-to-large scale Field Day planning session around here for a
perfect example.

You might wanna look up how the CP folks did...

Ya ducked the bullet.

I scanned the scores but I couldn't find 'em in 2/3/4/5A. I missed it?
They didn't submit an entry? Howcum there's two lists for 1B-2?

He let his cat out of the bag at some point in past but it got past
you. He's a VE but I had him in the wrong province.

Didn't get past me. Leo sez he's a VE3. But no call, no last name, no positive
ID, no website, no outside confirmation. Maybe he is, maybe he ain't.

I'm convinced he is a VE3 named Leo. Your mileage is obviously varying
for some mysterious reason.

No way, changing writing styles like changing fingerprints, can't be
done.

Nonsense. Ghostwriters do it all the time. Len's done the pseudonym thing here
more than once - that we know of.

Sweetums is a patterned, unlettered compulsively combative fomer
military aerospace bench tech, professional ghostwriters are usually
talented journalists, historians, etc. .

Leo absolutely is not Sweetums. Or vice versa.

Maybe. Maybe not. I'm not losing any sleep over it.

I'm *outta* this goofy thread, I'm done with Mike, I'm bored, I gotta
go find somebody else to gnaw on.

"CQ, CQ, CQ RRAP, no lids no kids . . "

73 de Jim, N2EY

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