Subject: Who Can Have A US License? Sequential Calls?
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 11/25/2004 9:29 AM Central Standard Time
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(Steve
Robeson K4YZ) writes:
Subject: Care To Try Again, Steve?
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 11/24/2004 7:32 PM Central Standard Time
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(Steve
Robeson K4YZ) writes:
No...YOU said the "most desireable" calls were being gobbled up!
And they are!
Subjective, Jim, subjective!
That's
pretty subjective. Personally, I don't care for the 2 x 1 formatted calls.
If
it were me, and I were out there, I'd get a 2 x 2 formatted call in either
the
AH or KH block.
Well, there you have it.
Again...it's all subjective.
Fair enough. However, after 20+ years of VE testing, I have yet to
hear
of one of those overseas tests as being determined to be a "license for
sale"
situation rather than an above-board test session.
KH2D, who has *been there* says differently. See his posts on the subject.
I read it.
He refered to "CBers" with Amateur licenses. He did not specify that ther
were licenses obtained from VE exams held at foreign hamfests. Sounded to me
like "locals"...
And I said that if he didn't get the desired results, he should push
it with DoJ.
Yet we HAVE had more than a small number of VE test session right here
in
the US that WERE just that (license for sale). I am sure there have been
cases
of fines, but in most cases, revocation of of licensure for both "licensee"
and
"examiner" was the only penalty enforced.
And a US citizen cannot use a foreign amateur license in the USA. So the
penalty is much tougher on them.
That's not the point.
You brought up how to enforce regulations on foreign Amateurs who may
allow some misconduct in the performance of a VE session.
No where did I say ANYthing about using a foreign license in the United
States.
What I DID say was that in VE session right here at home, conducted by
Americans, the "most" penalties usually enforced are license revocation of both
the licensee and the "examiner".
Are you suggesting any GREATER penalty on a foreigner who commits the same
crime?
Do you dispute this fact?
OK...then send a copy of the document to me and I'd be glad to sign on
as
a
co-sponsor. But right now there's not much to argue with since what's going
on
appears to be legal and there's no other legal precedent for the FCC to say
"No, We won't accept license applications from non-resident foreign
nationals".
Don't need a precedent.
Sure you do.
Why would the government revoke ANY privilege unless there was some
misconduct or abuse of that privilege?
If you force THAT issue, then "they" can adequately argue that there are
even far greater abuses right here at home and the whole program goes out the
window!
Ya *really* wanna stir things up?
Imagine if FCC came up with a new callsign system, like this:
1) No more vanity calls
2) All CONUS callsigns begin with W
3) All non-CONUS callsigns begin with K
4) All nonresident callsigns begin with N
5) All special event callsigns begin with A
6) All callsigns indicate the geographic location of the licensee's
address.
If
you move across a call district boundary, you get a new callsign,
sequentially
issued, no choice.
7) Everybody gets a 2x3 call except Extras, who get the shorter calls,
sequentially issued, until they're used up.
8) If your present call matches the new system, you can keep it. Otherwise
you
get a sequentially issued new call on the next renewal. No choice of the
new
call.
Can you imagine the uproar?
Since when has creating an up-roar been un-American...?!?!
Actually, Here's MY idea.
All new callsigns are assigned a 2x3 callsign, regardless of class,
period. All existing calls stay the same unless the licensee requests a
change
which they pay for.
Right away I can hear the yelling.
Why? If it's someone "new", they will have never known any other way...and
I specifically stated that all those already licensed would not be forced to
make any changes.
The FCC continues to offer the different "Group" callsigns, but if the
licensee wants a call other than what was issued, they pony up the
change...No
more "sequential" calls other than the 2x3 they were issued.
hooboy
Why? Do you walk up to Burger King and just take the food?
Fee-for-service is the way of the future if we continue to enact tax cuts.
If you move across a call district line, you either apply for a call in
that district, or you are obligated to sign "portable", "stroke", "mobile",
etc
that call district. There are both enforcement and "good operating
practice"
issues therein.
So I'd have to start signing "N2EY/3" after more than 20 years of not having
to
do so from here? That's effectively lengthening the call to a 2x3
And no one looking for a 2-land call would wind up working someone in PA!
"dadididadit didididadah" takes about 1 second extra at 20WPM. Big deal.
Would I have to pay the fee to get a 3 land call?
What did I say?
What if all the 3-land 1x2s are gone?
Ominus Feces Occurum. There'd be 3-laders living in FL and other places
force to give up their "out-of-dictrict" calls too.
The actual cost of the licensing program would go down since the FCC
would
no longer be issuing tons of "sequential" callsigns gratis, and fees
collected
would go up since you couldn't get any other format of call without ponying
up
the change to do so.
Issuing sequentials costs almost nothing because the computer simply spits
them
out automatically.
Still costs time to attend the computer, input the data, and pay for the
actual forms and postage.
Of course it'll never happen, because the admin paperwork alone would be a
nightmare. Plus the vanity revenue would go away.
The paperwork would go down since they'd no longer be getting 605's at
every change of class of license or address change
whoa!
5 years ago I moved from 19082 to 19087. Still EPA, no callsign change would
have been required under any rules. Yet I had to send in a 605.
You're the one talking about changes to the rules.
How's this for example: "Where a change of address is requested and no
other change of callsign would be required due to location within the same call
district, attaching a copy of the letter of notification sent to the Commission
to the original station records shall be considered adequate. A change of
address on the original license document will be reflected upon the next
routine renewal or paid license transaction."
and the fees would go up
since they were no longer issuing (save for the initial call) gratis
licenses.
And the FCC would be getting paid to process what extra paperwork they DID
receive.
But do vanity fees go to FCC or to the general fund?
Againn, Jim, you're the one suggesting changes...
73 and Happy Turkey Day
don't each too much bird
No problem...when this one is gone, I am sure Lennie or Brain will flip us
another!
73
Steve, K4YZ