Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,

(N2EY) writes:

What part of the US Navy did he serve in?

What part of the US military did YOU serve in?

ex-RA16408336

What your amateur radio callsign, Len?

Ach, ja, der Gruppenfuhrer uf das Raddio Kops demands "to see
papers!" :-)

Didn't you just ask for Jim's papers? :-) :-)

Why? Can't he put them in the recycling barrel along with other
used paper?

Maybe you had difficulty understanding the question: Didn't you ask
about Jim's military service?

Don't let your "diplomatic training" interfere with your attempted
overthrow of the First Amendment that prohibits us U.S. citizens
from discussing FEDERAL LAW AND REGULATION.

It is "Federal law and regulation".

Ah yes, herr gruppenfuhrer is now with the Syntax Squad. :-)

Well, what's with the CAPS, Foghorn?

You are still stuck on the fantasy that you have this little
fraternal order where You and Your Kind are the "only" ones
who can "make rules." Therefore, in your fantasyland vision,
all who are not licensed cannot discuss a damn thing about
amateur radio. Tsk. Secretary Powell might have frowned on
your fantasy world dicta. Maybe Condie Rice will buy it? :-)

Naw, Len. Me and my kind are licensed amateur radio operators.

Isn't that sweet? Do you want a nice gold star on your
certificate (suitable for framing)?

It really isn't necessary.

You aren't.

Absolutely true. First thing you've gotten right so far...

That's simply false. I got the "Federal law and regulation" correct.
I got the part about me and my kind correct. I got the part about you
asking Jim for his military "papers" correct.

You can discuss and have discussed.

And everyone can be sure that herr Heil will be in there with the
"you ain't got no ham license!" :-)

If you can't take it, get a ham license or don't read the posts.

Heil is utterly predictable. Can't address any subject thread and
always tries for the misdirect.

Let's see...the thread title is "Awesome trainer" yet there you are,
asking Jim in which part of the military he served. Would you like to
discuss the awesome morse trainer? Has it helped you?

You get quite a number of things about amateur radio incorrect.

I'm sure you'd like that to be true, but YOU are incorrect.

I'd actually be happier if you didn't get so many things about amateur
radio and other things wrong, but you do get them wrong.

I didn't work for Secretary
Powell and he had nothing to do with my amateur radio operation.

I didn't think so. Powell has diplomacy. You don't.

Powell deals with thugs the same way I have but Mr. Powell wasn't at
State when I was. Deal with it.

How did you foul that up?

Foul what up? I didn't "foul anything up," sweetums.

Your memory is short: The whole Secretary Powell thing which you wrote
and then snipped.

You keep manufacturing incidents that don't, didn't exist. :-)

You bring them into existence, then try to slip them under the rug.

Good for you, Len. You didn't need an "Awesome Trainer" or an amateur
license to get into the Signal Corps.

Never said I needed some "Awesome trainer."

Can't you stick with the thread?

Again, you are manufacturing an incident that didn't happen.

The thread didn't happen?

You do that consistently.

Do what consistently?

Is your objective in posting here to get back into the Signal Corps?

No. What is YOUR "objective?" :-)

I don't have a single objective. I'm a radio amateur posting in an
amateur radio newsgroup. I choose to post here.

Tsk. All you seem to do is pick on certain communicators that
you don't like and then make like you "run" the show. :-)

It hasn't been established that you are a communicator. You certainly
aren't in "the show".

Sure it was, Len. I'm sure that when you first began doing such work,
you were strictly a rank beginner.

Yes, I had rank. No, I was not a "beginner."

Yes, you were rank and a beginner.

That's fine, old timer. I'll be happy to carry on for some time after
you are able to be responsible for much of anything.

I'm sure you would like that...it is shared with the trashman, you
know, the Avenging Angle of the newsgroup. :-)

I'd like that? That isn't what I wrote but it is the nature of living.
There were people before you and there'll be people after you. You were
doing things when I was in diapers. I'll be doing things when you are
in diapers.

Things like that
even out. There are, of course, things which don't even out. If you
become a beginner in amateur radio, there is no realistic way for you to
enjoy four decades or more in the game.

Tsk. Why is it SO necessary to do as YOU did?

It isn't necessary at all. I didn't state that it was necessary. I'm
stating that it isn't even possible.

Is your ego really that large that you evaluate everyone based on
your "accomplishments?" Must be.

Tell us again about your experiences in the military and in the civilian
world of electronics. Is your ego so large that you evaluate everyone
based on your "accomplishments"? It looks as if that is the case. The
only trouble is, your accomplishments don't mean much within amateur
radio, your target group.

Quite a number of guys get into
ham radio late in life. Many of them are exhuberant and quick learners.
They make hay while the sun shines. Your pile of hay is quite small and
it is beginning to mildew.

Tsk, tsk. More manufacturing of things. You have a very busy
insult factory going. Not a good thing for the image of U.S.
amateur radio, is it?

Don't worry about. You aren't involved in U.S. amateur radio or amateur
radio anywhere else.

That's right, Len, but don't get too far ahead of yourself. When and if
you ever obtain an amateur radio license, you'll be a rank beginner in
amateur radio.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Still trying to misdirect away from the thread,
aren't you? :-)

What are your feelings about the awesome morse trainer Hans brought up?

"Morse Runner" is a code contest simulator, is it not? The thread
also associated that with various others' military experience.

You can skip your military tales. All anyone needs do is check Google
for any of the myriad tellings.

Now you want to return to your (predictable) diatribe of "nyah,
nyah, you will be a 'rank beginner' in amateur radio," yadada,
yadada, yadada.

I didn't say that you will be a rank beginner, Len. You'd first have to
actually obtain an amateur radio license. The likelihood of that
happening is not great. If and when you ever do so, then you'll be a
beginner in amateur radio.

You have not yet attained that status.

What "status?" :-)

THAT status. :-) :-)

Why is it so NECESSARY to have that federal license in order
to discuss the test elements for ENTERING amateur radio?

You've discussed. You aren't taken seriously.

There's plenty to know which can't be picked up in a day.

Oh my! Are years and years of "hard work and study" needed,
oh mighty god of radio?

As in any other endeavor, years of hard work and study are needed to get
it right. Some guys never do. Some pick up some or most. Some guys
are great ops.

NO ONE can be as good or experienced as yourself...you've
implied that about you for years and years in here. :-)

Actually, I've never implied any such thing though I'm currently 41
years more experienced than you. :-) :-)

If you don't adhere to regs, procedure, protocol, etc., you'll be at
best marked as a green op. Carry on with that and you'll be known as a
lid.

Oh, my, YES, by all means use the Proper Proceedure. Say "hi hi"
in voice instead of laughing...report all signal strengths as "599"...
and so forth.

When I read your stuff, I'm not saying "hi hi". If your sigs were any
weaker, you'd be receiving.

Who said anything about "not adhering to regulations?!?"

I did.

Have you prepared some kind of court order for arrest based on
your suppostiion of the future?

My "suppostiion" is that you'll never hit the airwaves as a radio
amateur.

Carry it to the extreme of breaking FCC regs and the Commission can
"fire" you.

Oh, my, der gruppenfuhrer suddenly morphs into Riley Hollingsworth!

Wrong. Nowhere did I state that I'm the FCC.

So...if I laugh out loud on voice on the ham bands, I'm breaking
some kind of regulation? :-)

Under most circumstances, if you show up on the ham bands at all, you're
breaking some kind of regulation.

Outrage? I'm not even close to outrage, especially when you remind me
that you're an outsider to amateur radio.

With your behavior, it's a wonder that anyone accessing this
newsgroup wants to get into U.S. amateur radio.

My behavior? Most non-ham readers of this group don't share your talent
as a walking Preparation H advert.

Just pace the sidelines as
you've done from the beginnings of your r.r.a.p. history.

Tsk. You should have put that as "all my life" instead of just some
kind of "history in r.r.a.p." :-)

Have you been doing this stuff with regard to amateur radio your entire
life?

No, wait. It must be RELIGIOUS THING with you. All without
ham licenses are some kind of "infidels?" Yes, that must be it.
You've gone on and on about that AMATEUR license as some
kind of "holy grail" or a "Mecca" to visit or similar.

I know plenty of folks without ham licenses with whom I get along fine.
None of them are trying to impose their views on the regulation of
amateur radio. Get used to it: It is just you.

You don't accept a whole career in radio-electronics as good for
anything, do you? Nope. You dismiss it. Spoils the hell out
your rant, doesn't it? :-)

Good for anything? Sure it was. It was good for jobs and paychecks.
It still didn't get you a pass into amateur radio. Don't be too hard on
yourself.

Let's see. You wanted to know which part of the military in which Jim
served.

Jim who? Tsk. You are trying to be Hall Monitor again?

The Jim to which you made your comment.

The question I posed to
you would be much more apropos in this venue.

No, NOT "apropo." The subject thread started out talking about
a new freeware called "Morse Runner," a CW contest simulator.

So your question to Jim concerned that software, huh?

I'm sure it is a nice computer program and well written.

Has it helped your morse speed?

However, I'd never be involved in the so-called "radiosport" of
making as many "contacts" as possible in a given amount of
time. That's not communicating anything.

So now you're an expert at something else in which you have no
experience.

That's just some kind of game.

It surely is.

I can get all sorts of computer games to play
with and so can everyone else.

Radio contesting isn't a computer game, Leonard. It takes place on the
air. Don't you get anything right?

Do I need an amateur radio license to run a GAME on a computer?

Did anyone state that you need one?

Absolutely NOT. Hundreds of thousands of unlicensed others do
that every day, most not even using any sort of "wireless" hookup.

Feel free to continue. You can even comment to the feds about how best
it should be regulated.

Do I need an amateur radio license to run a transmitter NOT on
the ham bands? No, that requires, for some radio services (but
not all), a COMMERCIAL license. Tsk, I've had one of those
since early 1956. :-)

I don't much care what you do with any transmitter not on the ham bands.

No, you keep coming back to what YOU think is "apropo," that
of constantly bothering about MY not having an amateur radio
license. That BOTHERS you since that's about all you can do,
bring that up in any thread NOT about that subject.

Sort of like your quizzing of Jim--the one which seemed to be about his
military service but which you now assure us was about a morse trainer?

That's awfully nice of you, Leonard. My mom is visiting out your way.
Perhaps I'll arrange it so that she, my sister, my niece and my nephews
can drop by and sing some carols for you. That might bring some cheer
into your existence.

"Cheer?" Try some industrial floor cleaner instead of laundry soap.
They can scrub the oil spots out of the garage floor. Minimum wage
even if their Green Cards are up to date.

We can talk about why your garage floor is so soiled some other time.

Meanwhile, you keep on your wonderful, warm-spirited recruiting
campaign to entice newcomers to U.S. amateur radio by saying
they will all be "rank beginners!"

All newcomers to any field of endeavor are beginners. If it chafes you,
tough.

The way you are going here there
won't be any worry about using up all the sequentially-assigned
call signs for years. :-)

Just worry about the one which might have been yours, old boy.

Dave K8MN