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January 6th 05, 02:51 AM

wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:

Lenof21 wrote:

In article ,

PAMNO

writes:

In article , Mike Coslo

writes:

Lenof21 wrote:

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Lovely NON-applicable factoid, doesn't explain anything. Of
course there were radio amateurs with mobile radios "not so
many years ago." There still are.

But, there are NO facts presented that those mobile radios
were used in emergencies. If they were, there are NO facts
presented as to any percentage of "emergency operations"
relative to normal amateur radio hobby use.

I don't think there are any facts that would convince Len.

prolly not.

Here's a "plain simple fact:" I replied to J.P.Miccolis'

message

and quoted his EXACT WORDS.

Looks like a misquote on Len's part.

Tsk. J.P. "never said that." ? :-)

Of course he never said that. He WROTE it. :-)

Wrong again, Len

And I wonder where the "never said that" quote came from. Was that
supposed to be me?

Do you mean when Jim posted:

Jim What *has* happened is that cell phones do much if not most
of the

Jim 911-type
Jim reporting that we hams used to do.

and you wrote:

Lenover21Really? "Hams used to do the 911 communications?"

Ain't no "misquote."

Sure is. But I don't think Len will admit it, Mike.

Tsk, tsk. The "911" communications system was never designed
around radio amateurs.

[this is beginning to sound like another wish-fulfillment

statement

done in here by another, "Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur
radio!" :-) ]

Jim wrote:

Jim What *has* happened is that cell phones do much if not most

of the

Jim 911-type
Jim reporting that we hams used to do.

and you wrote:

Lenover21Really? "Hams used to do the 911 communications?"

Where exactly did Jim say that Hams used to do the 911

communications?

Not in any post I can recall.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Verbatim copying of actual, posted statements
just a few days ago "can't be recalled?"

Bad case of short-term memory loss. See a real MD.

Now you go read my reply and, if you have arguments, you can
go off and argue with the U.S. Census Bureau, NASA, the FCC,
and, for emotional finger-pointing, the families of the
astronauts killed in the shuttle burn-up. Whoever.

Looks like Len is telling you not to differ with *him*, Mike. Looks
like he's trying to tell you to stop pointing out his misquote.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk. Ol' George (Orwell) should have been around
to see this parody of "1984." :-)

You mean the way you deny history, Len?

J.P. denies having said something (or wrote) and Coslo keeps
trying to stick his hockey puck in here, and both are having a
fun time pretending to be honorable and virtuous paragons of
truth, justice, and the ARRL way.

I'll admit, I am having fun.

Seems like there SHALL BE NO ARGUMENTS WITH PCTA
EXTRAS!!! Ever. :-)

Oh dear, I know at least Jim and myself love a good row! I like
accurate quotes tho'!

If you like accuracy, stay away from Len ;-)

If you don't like my messages, I suggest you do the same.

Sounds like good advice. Of course the author of that one won't

take his own

advice...

Tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk. J.P. didn't take such advice. :-)

Coslo keeps jumping in on others postings, acting like an
immoderate moderator in an unmoderated forum.

Jim, I'm beginning to think that Len takes umbrage at my posts. Just
imagine! A poster making posts within a thread! Especially "jumping in
on others postings" (an actual quote) in a thread that I started.

My goodness, the nerve of some hockey pucks!! 8^)

Don't you just *hate it* when that happens?

Wonder where you learned that , Mike?

Why SNL of course!

It's a Fantasyland. The "911" emergency call system was NOT
established with or for amateur use, yet the two paragons keep
trying to say it was and that hams DID "911" comms (even though
it did not exist then).

Good point. No one said that though.

Twilight Zone. Lost in Space. Outer Limits.

Twilight Zone - awesome show. A few episodes kind of date, but still
highly watchable. A+

Lost in Space - Bleh, although I thought June Lockhart was pretty sharp
in her aluminum foil space suit. C-

Outer Limits - The intro can still give me goosebumps. I loved it when I
was a kid. Now some of the episodes seem a little uneven. B+

Jeff Herman said that hams can do communications with zero power
output.

Where?

I think he is referring to the article in QST about communications
without radiated energy. I'm extremely skeptical, but who knows what can
happen in the quantum world? Who would have figured that you can tell
what the spin of a split particle could be affected by the measurement
of the other particle that it was split from, without any connection.

Note that no radiated energy does not imply no energy used.

J.P. implied that ham HTs were the only practical means of comms
among shuttle burn-up debris searching. [all the rest of those
thousands and thousands of government and agency HTs were
apparently inadequate in the Fantasyland]

Where on earth did he say that? Another of these "quotes"?

Hams used VHF HF, and an internet link during the debris search. I
don't know if they used UHF or not

What I *did* say was that ham radio was much more effective than cell
phones in that effort.

NO question about that.

But don't take my word for it. Read what someone who *was there* wrote:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...9?dmode=source

Was Len there, searching for shuttle debris? I don't think so.

This is getting to be like Laugh-In but without the humor...

It is there, you just have to look for it!

Indeed. ;-)

73 de Jim, N2EY

- Mike KB3EIA -