N2EY wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


Lenof21 wrote:


In article . net,

"Grümwîtch

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"Lenof21" wrote in message
...

: The license holder isn't prohibited from doing anything after
: midnight of the last day of his/her 10-year-active-license

period...and

: for two more years into that grace period.
:
Untrue. (Some would say an outright lie) They are certainly prohibited

from

operating their amateur radio station without supervision, since they
possess no valid operator license.

Now what did I write that was UNTRUE? Hmmm?

You wrote in an earlier message:

Lenof21 All licensees are perfectly legal to continue operating in
their grace
Lenof21 period. There is no necessity (nor sense) to eliminate those
in the
Lenof21 grace period from those in the normal 10-year license period from
Lenof21 any class totals.

Then you appear to have modified it to say:



"The license holder isn't prohibited from doing anything after
midnight of the last day of his/her 10-year-active-license period."

Was anything written about "operating an amateur radio station?"
No. :-)

Yes, because you wrote the above mentioned quote in an earlier message


They could have a valid commercial license and not be
prohibited from using that.


Do commercial licenses have 10 year terms and 2 year grace periods?

And if so, should you be required to include them in your ARS license
numbers? 8^)


Note: A commercial license does not
allow operation IN the amateur bands...just like an amateur license
does NOT allow operation outside of amateur bands.


In any event, a license holder *is* prohibited from doing something
when the license is in the grace period.

Yes, and that is operation within the privileges of their expired license.


So. They *are* prohibited from operating in the amateur bands. That is
significantly different than "not being prohibited from doing anything"


ALL of Title 47 C.F.R. applies to ALL USA citizens. Yes, that
includes amateur radio licensees. :-) In that you will find that, if
there is a REAL emergency situation, there is NO prohibition
against anyone using any frequency, any mode for help.


Doesn't change the fact that a licensee with a license in the
grace period is prohibited from operating an amateur station
in a non-emergency situation.


I guess the "only ones who count" in here are the Regulars, the
life-stylers, those who eat-breathe-sleep amateur radio. They are
NEVER wrong. Their words are TRVTH itself, engraved in eternal
marble. Their shall be no discourse with them...of course.

In that you are incorrect. I don't mind having a good discussion, and
even enjoy a good argument. But I do expect a good argument with proper
give and take. Some times I am wrong, and some times right. But your
case would be better served if you were to simply admit your mistakes
and move on to good debate.


Agreed. Len made a mistake about 97.21(b), but he seems reluctant to
admit it.

Note that the position he is taking is modifying. I've worked with a few
who do this. They really hate being wrong, but when they are proven
wrong, they slowly modify their stance so that eventually they either
agree with you, or " you just didn't understand" what they were saying
in the first place

Think about *why*

A couple possibilities:

1. He was genuinely wrong. He made an incorrect statement, and is
embarrassed about it. Some people absolutely *hate* being incorrect on
anything.

2. He is making deliberate incorrect statements simply to invoke others
in arguments. This could be an entertainment issue, or perhaps a
loneliness thing.

- Mike KB3EIA -