On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Keith wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 00:52:54 GMT, "Phil Kane"
wrote:

Until the FCC changes the rules concering Element 1, the
requirement in the US remains that Element 1 must be passed.

That is NOT what 97.301(e) says. 97.301(e) does not require a tech to possess
element 1, it requires the tech licensee to meet the international standards
set down in s25.5 to transmit on HF.

I agree with the above as to what 47 CFR 97.301(e) says.

I disagree that what is left means that any Technician or Novice has any HF
privilege at all. The FCC rule still says that these licensees must show
compliance with a non-existent regulation. Since they CANNOT COMPLY with a
non-existent [international] regulation, they LACK the privilege.

The reason 97.301(e) was written that way is because the FCC expected the
s25.5 reference to be deleted, but it was changed. The fact that it was
changed does not mean a tech licensee is not meeting the requirements set
down in 97.301(e).

I disagree. There is a [U.S.] requirement for these licenseholders to meet the
international requirement. Show me how they can do this if the international
requirement doesn't exist.... It's impossible for them to demonstrate
compliance, and therefore, they cannot meet all of the U.S. requirements (one
of which is to meet the non-existent international requirement), and thus have
no such privilege.

It doesn't mean a tech can get on 20 meters, it should mean he can operate on
HF in the allocated tech bands according to the FCC rules.

What you think it should mean and what it does mean are as clear as night and
day.