From: (Frank=A0Gilliland)
In ,
(Twistedhed) wrote:
From: (Frank=A0Gilliland)
In , "Leland C. Scott"

wrote:
"Landshark" wrote in message
. com... "Leland C.
Scott" wrote in message
... Frank;
=A0=A0Don't even bother to answer Frank. SteveoChicken is too busy
running away from "toy BB guns"
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Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
=A0(=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0R eally Lee, cops
usually shot people with toy guns. )
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(How's anybody going to mistake Steveo,
covered in white chicken feathers, for a cop? _)

I think the issue is that a cop could mistake

-you- for a gang-banger or some other

gun-toting urban warrior. Strange as it may

seem, these guys are looking out for you,

Leland.

KC8LDO wrote:=A0=A0Beside cops don't carry camera in their hand and
identifiy themselves as "PeePeeholic" while ringing the door bell.


All the more reason to address the situation

with something more than a BB gun. If you

really live in the area that Steve says, you

should have learned by now that determined

criminals are never deterred by a mere

handgun -- you need to show them the dark

recesses of a barrel larger than your big toe.

For about twice the price of your

carbon-dioxide-powered fly-swatter you can

get yourself an H&R (Stevens?) single-shot

12-gauge. And don't load it with lead or steel

shot. Empty the shells and refill them with rock
salt. I saw that trick in a movie once and it

works. Hurts like hell but it isn't lethal, so the

worst you can get is 2nd degree assault

(depending on your local laws), which sure

beats spending several years and thousands

of dollars fighting an involuntary manslaughter
charge.
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Horrible advice. Rock salt is poor idea for anything but animals in your
yard or garden. One of the first rules of firearm safety taught in ALL
legitimate courses concerning firearms as a means of personal protection
is one NEVER pulls a gun unless one intends to shoot,


You are wrong as usual, Twisty.




No, I'm dead on, Frank. Your unfamiliarity with gun safety as taught in
firearms courses all over the country is showing.


Cops "pull" their guns on suspects every day

but they don't always shoot, or even intend to

shoot. They are, however, -prepared- to shoot

if necessary, and -that- is what is taught in any
legitimate firearms safety course.




Non-sequitur and not even a good reach. Your advice was not directed to
cops, who, btw, have their own set of rules ad conduct. Your poor advice
was to civilians and was incorrect.

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when one shoots, one shoots to kill.


That's only taught by police academies in

Spokane and a few other screwed-up cities.




Why the lie, Frank? You're back-pedaling and entering LEO's into the
equation as if there was some relevance to your pooor advice. It's NOT
taught only by a few single PD's....it's taught in every single
concealed weapons class in the country for civilians.


The purpose of firing the weapon is to quickly

stop the person from doing what they should

not be doing. That doesn't always mean

"shoot to kill", nor does it always mean the use
of a lethal weapon.



You are the one that mentioned 12 gauge AND your advice was to a
civilian.

Ever hear of a Taser? The fact is that more

and more cities are training their officers how

to shoot more effectively under circumstances

where death is not the preferred option.


You are the one that mentioned a 12 gauge AND your advice was to a
civilian.

Even the US military recognizes that killing the
enemy soldier is not always advantageous.



Anotehr reach and non-sequitur.

The lessons of WWII taught them that one


(snipped for off-topic non-relevancy)


YOUR advice was not to military or LEO's, and remains incorrect.
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If one is trying to gain entry into your home, or if your life is in
danger, rock salt is not going to stop an adrenaline charged assailant.


It does a better job than a BB gun and most

handguns.



And yet ANOTHER non-sequitur.


The intruder doesn't know that he's

been shot with rock salt, he just knows that his
body is suddenly racked with pain, and if he

doesn't collapse from shock he runs like hell.



You're reaching very far. A high percentage of such crimes are drug
induced and when the perp is hopped up on dope, he isn't going to feel
squat.

And since it isn't lethal, it's much safer in the

hands of an adrenaline charged defender who
might mistake a family member or friend as an
assailant.



Oh man! You're way off in left field.
I said "clear" fear for your life. If there is a "mistake" of identity,
such is not clear.
_

If there was a clear fear for your life or if the assailant was
attempting to gain unauthorized entry to your home, there will be no
charges filed upon your protection of your life and property when a
clear danger was imminent.

You can make excuses


You;re the one disqualifying your own statements with the invocation of
non-related parties and subjects that are the exception and absent to
your original claim.

for wielding deadly

force in hopes of carving your first notch on

the grip, or you can act responsibly on what

-should- be the reason for having a weapon in

the first place -- safety.




Try protection. When one applies for the concealed weapons permit, there
is a question asking your reason for obtaining such. The majority puts
"Personal Protection" or "business" or some related item. I will lay
odds NONE put "safety" in the blank.


Hey, we all know that a big gun pumps the

nads, and that's fine for people like you who

need to artificially supplement their

inadequacies with blued steel.




Who was talking big guns? You were, not I...LOL. But you go and lie
(lol) and attempt to lay your idiot comments off on another, chubby.


But I was taught to use the right tools for the

job, and a lethal weapon poses too much of a

danger in a situation where mistakes are

common and people, innocent or not, can die.



You weren;t even taught right from wrong, proper comuication technique,
or the golden rule, let alone anything else.
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