On Fri, 14 May 2004 04:13:14 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 May 2004 13:45:36 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:


There's a difference with "community" involvement and State
involvement. While I might say something to someone in my
town, I will not bother with some guy on the highway, that
would never see me again in a million years.

So, can I assume then that you have no alternative answer? Should we
just allow society to regress in much the same manner as operators on
CB radio did?

There's not much you can do about society as a whole.

A single individual cannot make much of a difference. But if every
individual joined with other like-minded individuals, pretty soon you
develop a force to be reckoned with.

You
can only make your part of society the best you can. Raise
the children with good values and to respect their elders.

A lot of good it does when they are thrust into a world which does not
share those well taught values. When your (and mine) kid has to hang
out with other kids who think it's cool to be stupid, indifferent, or
rebellious (even if they don't fully understand what they're rebelling
against), all of that good upbringing goes out the window unless they
have a strong support system.


I can not see the regress of CB as the eminent downfall
of society.

One is simply a reflection of the other. The gradual, but definite,
regression of morality and good character is evident on both CB and in
society as a whole. Having been involved with CB radio for the better
part of 30+ years, I had a front row seat for the show.

How far this "regression" continues remains to be seen.



Technology offers yet another solution. GPS technology and OBD-II
emission control systems can be integrated to the point where all
functions of the car can be monitored. If the car travels down a road
over the posted speed limit, it sends a little "On-Star" type message
to a LEO, and a ticket in then issued. This has the added benefit of
enabling the tracking of the car if it were to be stolen. This is
similar to the idea of mounting cameras to take pictures of people
running red lights.
People will scream "Big Brother". But maybe that's what it takes when
you can't trust people to behave on their own.

Already done, dismissed in the courts. A rental car agency
was doing that, issuing speeding tickets to thier customers,
the courts ordered them to stop.

There's a difference between a rental car agency and a provision in
the law. If the law were changed, it would be allowed. Your testimony
only proves that the technology is viable.

Yes Technology is available, but it won't be used, at least
probably not in our lifetime.

I'm curious to know why you feel that way.

As for the rental car agency,
they were turning them into the state troopers, the DA then
threw the cases out of court.

Most likely a case of expectation of privacy. A joke. People have the
right to privacy so that they can break laws with a reasonable chance
of getting away with it.

Good Luck! I've gone to the city and county councils, tried
to get the street closed at one end, to prevent all the people
from speeding down my street to get over to their street
faster, but not a chance. Speed bumps? Yeah right! I
don't want to hear the sound of cars "jumping" the speed
bumps at all hours of the night & day. So the best they
can offer is "selective" enforcement, LOL!! Useless!

Hmm.... I'm not sure how I want to proceed here. On the one hand I can
lambast you for your duplicitous position with regard to "selective"
speeding (It's ok, just don't do it on my street).

Yeah you could, but then this thread will have gone from a
civil thread to an abusive thread.

Not really. I don't lambast people directly, only their ideas.


I am a little that way, as for
around town I don't really speed, out in the coutry side, on
the bike, yeah. But again about the worst that can happen there
is tha I kill myself. As for on the freeway, Bronco doesn't go
over 70MPH, so don't speed there. My other cars on the
freeway, I'll admit that I ocassionally go over the speed limit,
but nothing dramatic, most cars are still passing me, so the
cops go by me and catch the guy that's going 20-30 MPH
over the speed limit.

Same thing here. I never speed in a residential area. I may push it to
60 or 62 MPH on the highway, since they can't cite you in Pa, until
you exceed 5 MPH over the limit.

Speed limit in this state on the highways and freeways is
between 55 & 75 MPH.

We still have many highways which are 55 MPH. Others (out of
residential areas) are 65 MPH. None higher than that.



On the other hand,
I might be tempted to say that you give up too easily. Politicians
have to answer to the people, usually those who make the most noise.
Record the problem. Present the issue to the town council, their
decisions are public record. Make it known that if, at some point in
the future, a kid does get killed due to a speeding car, that they can
be held as a party to the crime, due to their negligence, and refusal
to act to mitigate the situation in the face of irrefutable evidence.

That's correct, petitions, 80% of residents, they still didn't care.
Yes, it usually takes a fatality for locals to install stops signs,
speed enforcement etc etc in the state of California.
You usually can not hold a California politician accountably
unless they show gross disregard or criminal activity.

Those petitions and other actions that you take can be admitted as
evidence. Their lack of response can then be interpreted as "gross
negligence". Most juries would be more inclined to side with the dead
kid's parents than a do-nothing politician.

Again, good luck trying in this state. I'm sure there is some sort of
immunity laws that protect the *******s.

You might be right, but if no one wants to try, we'll never get what
we want.


Maybe if a few cases set precedent, other local politicians will sit
up and take notice.

Doubtful, look at the how we had to spend billions to get rid of
a governor, that took a surplus of billions of dollars and made it
a deficit of billions of dollars in only a couple of years.

Sometimes you don't have to take on the top dog to make a precedent,
although you probably need the right circumstances and the right
visibility.

Dave
"Sandbagger"