From: (Dave=A0Hall)
On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:49:48 -0400, (Twistedhed)
wrote:
CB IS anonymous, it's going to stay that way, get over the gastric pain
it causes you.

And that is the main reason why there are so

many malcontents on there.


Perhaps, perhaps not, but that is neither here nor there, and a problem
of yours. Stop trying to make it someone elses problem.


Even the youngest, still wet-behind-the-ears

hooligan will tell you that they tend to partake

in more mischief if they have less of a chance

of being caught.



It's sad that your trust in fellow man has eroded to such a point. Most
of us look for the good in people, not the bad.


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That one would seek to mete out "accountability" for posting one's
opinion in usenet illustrates a freak, dude!


Not at all. If you are attempting to pass

yourself and your opinions off in a serious

discussion, with any sort of credibility, you

have to be accountable for what you say.



In a group dedicated to mere posting concerning an anonymous hobby, what
type accountability and credibility do you seek? How long have you
looked to cb venues seeking "serious" discussion?


It doesn't take any special courage or daring

to make inflammatory comments while hiding

behind an anonymous handle.


No doubt about it. Same can be said for radio. Merely possessing your
hammie call doesn't abdicate you from being anonymous if you wanted.
Same goes for this forum.



Why should anyone take what a person like

that says seriously, when they don't have the

character to identify themselves?




Depends what you define as "identify".
In your case, you ask for names, backgrounds, etc, of those who you
disagree with on usenet.
And perhaps, just,,perhaps, because the entire world of security experts
SAY SO?

_
What type accountability is
it you wish to foster upon those who dare say
something on usenet with which you may disagree?


There is nothing wrong with a healthy

disagreement. But when you make unfounded
character assassinations against those you

disagree with and then run and hide behind

your cloak of anonymity, that's not the sign of

a mature person.



If it were a true character assassination and something was injurous or
libelous, and IF you actually believed that bull**** and cared enough to
actually want to do something about it, there are simple channels to
follow and remedy the situation. At the very least, if this occurred,
one could surely prove such and illustrate the passage in the person's
isp that relates to such behavior and the service will take action.



Having your identity known, at least tempers

the temptation to act like a retard.



And goes against everything the world of security experts and all isp's
tell you. As far as I know, acting like "a retard" is perfectly legal,
but if you had your way, anything you deemed 'acting like a retard"
would most certainly be illegal.

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And to answer your question,,,you weren't thinking, Davie, you never
do,,,,it's what is responsible for your foot in mouth disease and
unfettered anger toward cb anonymity. You gave up your anonymity and are
****ed at those who didn't


Not at all. I stand behind what I say,



You do? Shall we take those inquiries one at a time concerning those
unanswered claims you were asked to provide for?
You said a cber was busted in your area awhile back and went through
the courts. I politely called you on it and asked you to provide some of
this "credibility" you speak of and demand of the rest of the usenet
world. You became insultive and began attacking myself and going
off-topic without providing anything but lipservice. You have failed to
produce any of this "credibility' you demand of others, concerning your
claim.



and I have the credibility


Not on the Philly cber issue you don't, and not on the Phelps antenna
issue you don't, and,,,,ah, that's enough to keep you foaming at the
mouth and rabidly attacking me for a few days.


and accountability to

say so in a serious and mature manner. If I

misbehave like the hordes of anonymous

posters on this group, it becomes a simple

matter to rectify the situation.



It's not up to you Davie, to rectify anything. THAT'S your problem...you
think it is.


Not so when you're anonymous and take

advantage of the many network tools to

conceal your origin. So it allows "bad" people

to continue to be "bad".



No,,the internet does not "allow" people to do anything. PEOPLE allow
themselves to be involved in such fiascos. You are illustrating the
risks of the internet perfectly with your citing "bad" people,,,,,all
the more reason to follow the internet security experts advice, Davie.
Just because one doesn't post with their real name, Davie, doesn't make
them "baaad" people. In fact, it makes them a little more clued in than
you on the dangers of the internet and these "bad" people you speak of.

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,,,,,who had the smarts to follow their ISP suggestions and all security
experts and NOT post on the internet with their real name to a group
dealing with a hobby where no ones identity is revealed.


No one has suggested anything of the sort.

The only thing that they warn is not to give out
personal information such as social security

numbers and such.


Most people know their real name is personal information. See how far
removed your beliefs are from the moral majority..


If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing

to fear.



That is an old cliche used by authoritarians the world over to cast
doubt on the motives of civil libertarians that actually care about such
things as privacy. The cliche is also often used as a means to shut off
debate on the actual issue, since no one wants other people to think
they may have something to hide. This plays on the psyche of people and
was used by the Nazis for psychological warfare on their own people
expected of being dissidents. Such anti-american insinuation that one
may have something to hide merely for not posting their real name to the
internet as their user name
will not stop me from defending privacy rights that belong to you as
well,, as an American, even if you don't appreciate your liberties or
take advantage of them.

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Add to the fact that you can no longer partake in your old haunts and dx
on cb because someone would probably turn your azz in...if you weren't
such a jerkoff and were cool with people, you could operate with no fear
and talk dx on cb with the rest of us who enjoy it.


I never liked talking DX on CB after the first

hundred or so contacts that I made almost 30

years ago. DX is nothing more than a source

of irritation to me, as the noise level prevents

comfortable local chit-chatting.



Fine, No one faults you for it. But for you to come out here and
constantly complain about what bothers you over and over concerning cb,
and tell others who really do enjoy cb and dx what is wrong with them
doing it,
in a cb group, no less, illustrates your motives, whether you are aware
of your own behavior or not.



Any desire that I might have to talk long

distance can easily be taken care of LEGALLY
on the ham bands, so your conjecture is like

many of your others, just plain wrong.



The hammie bands are dead for HF DX,,they got nothing on eleven meter,
including freeband.


BTW, Who is Kim T. Hall?


Exactly.


Oh, and you might not believe this, but I'm

glad that you survived the storm. I don't like to

see bad things happen to anyone.

Dave

"Sandbagger"

N3CVJ

http://home.ptd.net/~n3cv


Why would I not believe that? Only subhumans wish ill will on others for
stating their opinions.