Len Over 21 wrote:

In article t, robert casey
writes:

That's the first thing YOU have gotten right, Lennie.

Just get the damm license, you seem to know enough
to get it without much study, Len.

Tsk. It hasn't been my intention to "get a damn license." :-)

That depends upon when you post.

I can't see such a personal identification as applying to my
advocacy to remove the morse code test from any test.
The subject of morse code testing should stand by itself,
without all the hoopla over test-passing.

That's odd. The subject of testing should stand without hoopla over
passing the test? Very, very odd.

The reality of the radio world is that morse code mode is
either dead or dying or was never born in every other radio
service but amateur radio hobby activity.

The reality is that amateur radio is the very activity in which the
morse code test remains. Morse code use is very much alive in amateur
radio.

Even then, morse
code is used only by a minority of those licensed as radio
amateurs.

Many thousands use morse code daily within amateur radio.

The attempt to "justify" (realistic word is rationalize) the
morse code test is specious.

The reasons for attempting to remove morse testing are specious.

It serves no real purpose to
anyone desiring an amateur radio license...other than to act
as an "initiation rite" that is kept only because so many others
in the past were required to take that test.

That claim is specious.

The federal
government is NOT obliged to maintain fraternal order
initiation rites. That is something for membership groups,
not something for anything codified into law as regulations.

That claim is specious.

The argument maintenance of the long-timers boils down to
(via brainwashing by even longer-timers) them having to take
the morse test, therefore all others have to take it also. That
would be valid only if the ARS were an Amateur Radiotelegraphy
Service. It is not.

Your statment is specious.

The morse code test in test element 1 is considered by the FCC
as inapplicable to their need to determine the licensing
qualification of amateur radio license applicants. It remains
(apparently) under pressure by the long-timers and the ARRL
(not the oldest radio club) keeping it in regulations...because
they all feel that it is "necessary" (they had to take a morse
test, therefore all others have to).

What a specious statement!

Some morse code devotees consider the test necessary to
"preserve and protect" manual telegraphy skills. The FCC is
not chartered as either a historic preservation agency nor as an
academic one. Its lawful activity is simply to regulate ALL U.S.
civil radio.

Another specious statement.

Unless there has been some covert activity to circumvent the
Constitution of the United States, all U.S. citizens have the right
to "petition their government with their grievances." In smaller
words that means they can comment to any agency of the
government about any laws or regulations made by that government.
"Membership" in any particular agency's activity is NOT required.

You continue to make specious claims. You've petitioned your government
by using terms like: "Judging from the suppressed outrage of
long-tenured amateurs on the so-called free upgrade, one is tempted to
add 'where they belong!' but that is unkind and shouldn't be said.
Nonetheless, it is quite evident that class distinction is alive and
firmly entrenched in United States Amateur Radio." and "That satisfies
the hide-bound long-tenured's need to keep Technicians in the
no-code-test ghetto."
Your government is free to take no action on your statements. No one
here is required to give credence to your statements or even to read
your statments. No one is obligated to refrain from making light of
your claims, from ridiculing your claims or from taking heated issue
with your claims.

Apparently, some in here seem to think that ONLY licensed radio
amateurs "should" comment on amateur regulations or that any
who so comment are "wishing to get a license." I do not so "wish."

I don't mind at all that you've commented to the FCC. I don't have to
accept your crap here though. I'm free to reject your ideas. I do.
I'm free to reject your manner. I do. As to whether you desire an
amateur radio license, such as an "Extra right out of the box", that
depends upon which phase of the moon or which year we're in. You've
said you do. You've said you don't. It doesn't matter. You've
commented to your government. Now provide us a document which
guarantees your right to have us to sit idly by while you expound here.

That is NOT a "requirement" nor is there any "motivation" to do so.

Requirement? No. Motivation? You have not been motivated despite your
claimed, decades-long interest in amateur radio.

The elimination of the morse code test is simply long overdue and
should be done for the benefit of ALL citizens, not some aging
fraternity boys wanting to keep an initiation rite forced upon others
for no reason but their own personal desires. Those individuals
are NOT a regulatory agency at all despite their implications.

Sorry. Specious.

The elimination OR the retention of morse code testing can be
discussed on its own merits, not the "accomplishments" of a few
who cannot justify their side of the discussion.

Can we discuss your lack of accomplishments in amateur radio? In the
use of Morse code? Shall we discuss your use of terms like "Der
Kommandant" or "feldwebel"? Do you use those terms to justify your side
of the "discussion"?

You would do better to copy the methods of others and attempt
defamation of the person of those wishing to eliminate the code test.
That IS the way of those PCTA extras found in here.

But not the way of those using the "Der Kommandant", "feldwebel",
"Avenging Angle", "puts on his habit from time to time and tries to
strike
knuckles with her ruler", "Church of St. Hiram" terms? Should those
ways be copied?

You're a riot, Len.

Dave K8MN